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roadmaster
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 Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: MBR1000 and computors defaulting to "Cradle Point Setup |
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| We connect our desk top and laptop to the internet via the Cradle Point MBR1000 and the Alltel UM150. For the most part, we have a good working connection. But at least once per day, we loose connection to the internet and we are defaulted back to the "Cradle Point Setup" screen, where I have to go through the whole setup process again. If it wasn't for this annoying glitch, everything would be great. Is there a way to get around this? Thanks |
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firedude
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| What version of the firmware are you running? |
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sbonar
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Do you go through the setup because your settings are gone or because that is the screen that is presented to you when you log in to 192.168.0.1?
I ask because that page is the default page if the router cannot detect a WAN connection, i.e. no ethernet cable plugged in or no modem connection (but the modem could still be plugged in).
It could be that, like you said, the modem is just loosing it's connection so when you log in that is just the page the router is sending you to and not because you need to set something up.
In other words I don't think you need to go through the setup process again, but instead figure out why you are loosing your cellular connection. |
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JoeCHecht
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: Re: MBR1000 and computors defaulting to "Cradle Point S |
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| roadmaster wrote: | | We connect our desk top and laptop to the internet via the Cradle Point MBR1000 and the Alltel UM150. For the most part, we have a good working connection. But at least once per day, we loose connection to the internet and we are defaulted back to the "Cradle Point Setup" screen, where I have to go through the whole setup process again. If it wasn't for this annoying glitch, everything would be great. Is there a way to get around this? Thanks |
The firmware release notes provided at the CradlePoint website indicate this is probably not a firmware version issue.
I can identify the minimum firmware version you are using as 1.1.0, since you are using a UM150 (and since this was the minimum shipping firmware version), so unless your using failover (and your post did not indicate that you are), you are probably ok with your current formware version.
Refreshing the firmware might help if it is corrupt, and if you are not using the latest firmware (1.1.1), there are some failover issues that have been fixed, so you might as well upgrade to the latest.
I would try a hard reset of the unit, refresh the firmware, set it up, then save out the config file. If the problem happens again, then (hopefully) you should be able to restore the config file, and not have to re-enter all the setup info.
I do not have my MBR-1000 handy at the moment (it has been disassembled, and is sitting in pieces at the moment, waiting to be photographed), however, the CradlePoint website indicates the hard reset procedure for all CP routers is to:
1. Unplug the device.
2. Press and hold the Reset button on the side of the unit.
3. Re-plug the unit.
4. Continue holding the Reset button until the indicator lights flash ON, OFF, then ON again.
Here is the link to the CradlePoint firmware web page:
http://www.cradlepoint.com/techsupport/mbr1000support.php
I hope this has been helpful,
Joe |
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JoeCHecht
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| sbonar wrote: | | I ask because that page is the default page if the router cannot detect a WAN connection, i.e. no ethernet cable plugged in or no modem connection (but the modem could still be plugged in). |
FWIW, I think get a different page (however, my setup could be very different). Mine says something like it cant currently get to the internet.
I will give it a try when I find the time to put my MBR-1000 put back together, or when my second one arrives tomorrow.
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Alex
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: Re: MBR1000 and computors defaulting to "Cradle Point S |
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| JoeCHecht wrote: | | I do not have my MBR-1000 handy at the moment (it has been disassembled, and is sitting in pieces at the moment, waiting to be photographed) |
well, that explains the order for a 2nd router.
hmmm, i guess i can rip mine apart now that i've finished that review.
hmmm... |
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JoeCHecht
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Re: MBR1000 and computors defaulting to "Cradle Point S |
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| Alex wrote: | | JoeCHecht wrote: | | I do not have my MBR-1000 handy at the moment (it has been disassembled, and is sitting in pieces at the moment, waiting to be photographed) |
well, that explains the order for a 2nd router.
hmmm, i guess i can rip mine apart now that i've finished that review.
hmmm... |
Morning Alex!
I think I mentioned I was going to buy another, simply based on CradlePoint finally adding firmware revision notes, so being a man of my word, 3G got the order yesterday 
I am replacing a Linksys 300N that (unlike my MBR-1000) does not like to play with my devices in mixed mode, and also replacing the DLink router we have set up for our b/g devices, so I did have other incentives for getting a second MBR-1000.
I think that I will now have 14 routers for Lynda to put up on eBay, however, I may disassemble some of them as well.
FWIW, I have successfully disassembled all the CradlePoint routers with no problems, and am learning a lot.
As we know, these babies are put together using chipsets that are common with other product bands, and can share the same technologies.
Armed with this information, it is possible to deduce what products will play well together (and what products will not).
For example, we have all seen the "Turbo Mode" setting in the setup pages of the 350, without a good explanation as to what it is. As it turns out, at first look, it appears that some of the boards used are also used in some Linksys and Dlink products (for example), and it may indeed be possible to flip that switch in some circumstances.
There may be other technologies that may be exploitable between product bands, since they may share the same boards and chipsets.
For example, It appears that "WiPipe" (trademark CradlePoint) shares a common technology with a Linksys technology available on some products. Under the hood, both appear to be the Ubicom "Stream Engine" (registered trademark Ubicom) technology, as they seem to be using the same Ubicom clips.
Knowing such information goes a long way in explaining not only why certain products play well together, it should explain what products may get increased performance and range. It will also help to explain some of those "my laptop wont connect" issues.
This information allows us to investigate what sort of additional improvements can be made to these products (such as the Ethernet-As-LAN on the CTR-350), by taking a look at the SDK's and so forth that are available for these boards.
Another example is the possibility of external antenna's for the CTR350, PSH300, and perhaps even the MBR-1000.
My main business focuses on writing Windows kernel mode device drivers.
I know that one of these boards will slip into a laptop's PCI port, and it might be fun to play with (laptop with internal router = cool! - although I already do this in software utilizing Virtural Machines).
Finally, I may even take a crack at writing some customized firmware
Who knows what the future may bring...
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manganos
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Hehehe. That was a good post. |
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Hardware
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Personally I think this is a misguided assumption. So CradlePoint has Ubicom hardware in it, that really doesn't matter as much as the coding. Do have any insight into how they coded things?
For example, D-Link uses Ubicom hardware as well, but their units are lousy in my opinion.
A hardware chip does not a superior product make. |
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JoeCHecht
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Hardware wrote: | Personally I think this is a misguided assumption. So CradlePoint has Ubicom hardware in it, that really doesn't matter as much as the coding. Do have any insight into how they coded things?
For example, D-Link uses Ubicom hardware as well, but their units are lousy in my opinion.
A hardware chip does not a superior product make. |
Perhaps not a chip, but an entire board sure goes a long way 
Some things can be coded, others cannot. It remains to be seen how configurable some parts of these designs really are.
In the mean time, I am looking into getting the UbiCom SDK.
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JoeCHecht
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| Hardware wrote: | Personally I think this is a misguided assumption. So CradlePoint has Ubicom hardware in it, that really doesn't matter as much as the coding. Do have any insight into how they coded things?
For example, D-Link uses Ubicom hardware as well, but their units are lousy in my opinion.
A hardware chip does not a superior product make. |
Well, I also must admit, I am not a hardware guy, I am a coder, and being such, I am inclinded to agree a lot of the magic comes from the software side of things.
That being said, I am very close to heaving the MBR-1000 (number 2) that arrived today, in the trash, as I could not in good faith throw it in the box of routers that Lynda needs to put on eBay.
Just trying to go to some of the settings in the setup, locks that baby up, cant get the ping working, and the slingbox when run from the internal network does not even run at a half the speed as when hooked up with the linksys. hmm....
I think I have had to reboot it 4 times in the past 2 hours.
From the thread just posted by 3G, CradelPoint just confirmed the latest firmware for the CTR-350 and PHS-300 can brick the router if you set the encryption settings in some manner (that should have been tested).
I made movies (and posted screenshots here) of the (PHS-300?) giving up
the routers admin password in the browser's history.
So to answer the question, there is my insight as to how they coded it up
So yes, I will agree with you that "A hardware chip does not a superior product make."
I believe I was told that the "Stream Engine" stuff was built in, and could not be turned off, so I wonder how configurable it really is.
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