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MRB1000 "Wireless N" question

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JoeCHecht
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
now that you've made your comparison of useful speeds at G vs N on the MBR1000, why not also take a 'standard' (as in unmodified) linksys 3G router or KR1 or whatever you might have, and see what distance you get, with any decent speeds.


Thanks Alex,

Ya know, I am kicking myself for not doing exactly that!

Its not like I don't have a box or two filled with different brands of G routers to test, sitting in the garage, waiting for Lynda to put on eBay, cause I do.

I will try to find the time to do this, and report back.

I think a stock Linksys WRT-54GS would be a good test (I don't have time to test all of them).

Line of sight, I bet there is not much range difference, but there will be a performance difference as long as the connection holds.

Actually, can i take back the word "bet" and substitute the word "predict", as the delivery cost of the plate of peppers I will probably owe to firedude, is gonna cost a lot of dough to deliver! In other words, I'm "into the house" by way too much already Shocked

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a good one:

http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Promotion_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1172602377218&packedargs=site%3DUS&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=7721832665B03


Linksys SpeedBooster technology improves Wireless-G
performance up to 35% when a Wireless-G with
SpeedBooster router and Wireless-G with
SpeedBooster adapter are used together.
The same applies for Linksys Wireless-N, which
delivers up to 4X range improvement and
12X speed improvement when a Wireless-N Router
and Wireless-N Adapter are used together.


No mention that you might get the same 4x range improvement when you use wireless G with Wireless N.

(note: I edited line breaks and some html code in the above quote).
I believe it to be the same content as from the quoted page.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: MRB1000 "Wireless N" question Reply with quote

scapla wrote:
I just bought the MRB1000 because of the enhanced range that Wireless N advertises. But, will my laptop have to have a Wireless N card to take advantage of the increased range?

Thanks, and apologies if this has been answered (couldn't find it with Search).



THE VERDICT IS IN

Providing that an answer from CradlePoint engineers is considered to be a suitable authority.

Question for CradlePoint engineers, when told the answer needed to be suitable for publication (ie: they are on the line for this one):

"Will wireless G devices get the same 4X range enhancement benefit as N
devices when used with the MBR-1000 in mixed g/n mode?"


CradlePoints answer from Daryl:

Quick answer is no. You should be seeing some wireless range increase
through the MIMO technology so although you wouldn't necessarily see a
4x range enhancement you should see some range benefits.


I believe this adds some credibility to my current theory that an "N" router can do a better job of receiving from a legacy G device, however, the legacy device cannot receive any better since it lacks the MIMO hardware.

Since the N router cannot broadcast a legacy G signal with any more power than a legacy G Router, and the legacy G device cannot utilize N technology since it lacks the hardware to receive any better, the benefit is only one way at best, and probably applies only to "better performance at range".

In other words, if the legacy device cannot receive the N's routers legacy "G" signal, your dead in the water, and you get no range benefit.

On the other hand, if for some reason, your legacy G device is getting a good signal (perhaps the router is sitting in font of a tin can, you get a better, more maintainable connection, perhaps at a higher speed, and thus may be able to get some additional range and performance benefits in these certain cases.

As stated, my above "ramble" is only my current theory, based on nothing more common sense and the scouring of a few white papers

I commend CradlePoint for their honest answer. After reading many press releases and product brochures from other companies, I can state that most others companies probably would have given well worded answers that would have barely passed an investigation by the Federal Trade Commission for misleading advertising. In fact, after reading many of these papers, faqs, and so forth, I am not so sure that some of the material published by those companies would pass an FTC investigation Shocked

A note to firedude: If you are willing to accept CradelPoints answer as from an authority, and you are willing to agree that CradelPoints answer lends credibility that there is some possible range and performance benefit (I believe we both denied performance), I would like for us to say that we where both right, we where both wrong, and let us settle the bet by meet for some clams and peppers, and try out each others respective hot sauces over a nice Morro sunset.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I mentioned, 50 million posts ago, that I got better range with the N.. Laughing ... you guys enjoy your peppers.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim_in_VA wrote:
I thought I mentioned, 50 million posts ago, that I got better range with the N.. Laughing ... you guys enjoy your peppers.


Are you speaking about the following post you made in a different thread?

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You won't get the speeds without a N compatible device but you will get the range. My N router connected to a CTR350 easily doubled the range. Even with a N compatible device, and using EVDO, you won't get the full potential speed wise. But distance? Yes.


Forgive me when I expect that in technical forum, where the users depend on accurate answers, and someone gives information that in either incorrect or inaccurate, the correct answer should.

I doubt the users of this forum really want inaccurate answers. They deserve the best we can give.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truthfully Joe? I don't care what type of answer any of us give, right OR wrong, you simply wouldn't like it unless we all agreed with you. You appear to be the expert so post away. This is why I won't waste any more time on the issue. I know what's right for me and what my tests have showed combined with the information I have received and I am happy with that. It seems all you want to do is pick everyone's posts apart. As my kids always said lol........whatever.

Forget the peppers Jim, I'm going for a New York steak tonight.Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This really isn't so much a technical forum as it is a bunch of folks, both experienced and inexperienced users alike, trying to help each other out.

That being said, if one is going to be so specific and bring correction and critique to each and every post then one might try to at least use spell check and maybe even squeeze in a little correct grammar now and then as opposed to just filling the pages with word after word? I'm not sure exactly what this "sentence" was trying to say? But then that's probably just me.

JoeCHecht weote:
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Forgive me when I expect that in technical forum, where the users depend on accurate answers, and someone gives information that in either incorrect or inaccurate, the correct answer should.

The PT Cruiser is still cool though . . . . . . . but I'm also out of this thread. Just trying to read it all is giving me a head ache!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This really isn't so much a technical forum as it is a bunch of folks, both experienced and inexperienced users alike, trying to help each other out.


I must have misunderstood that this "EVDO Router Support Forum" was of a technical nature.

I must have incorrectly assumed that the original poster had come here seeking an accurate answer to a technical question, after searching the posts and not finding an answer.

I guess I should have left it all alone, since he had already been "helped out".

After I reply to firedude, I too am stepping out of this one, unless someone directs a technical question my direction.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note to admin: This is not intended to be a flame, or a personal attack. Since what I am about to say can be shown to be fact, I ask that you in all fairness, to allow the post to remain.

In would like to bow out of this issue unless anyone can provide any further technical information.

firedude wrote:
Truthfully Joe? I don't care what type of answer any of us give, right OR wrong, you simply wouldn't like it unless we all agreed with you.


Well firedude, In my humble option, you are (again) misrepresenting the facts.

Clearly, I was very impartial to the answer, so long as it was from a credible source.

I was clearly prepared to be "right or wrong" in any case, and posted (many times) to that effect.

I even searched long and hard to try to prove your point.

On the other hand, you where caught red handed taking Linksys press releases, rewording it to your liking, with inaccurate and fradulent information, and posting it here in the forum, to try to prove your point.

I invite you to call Linksys Legal, and ask them if it is OK that you did this with their material. Perhaps CradlePoint would like to see the material, since your inserted the name of their product.

Had you done this in college, you would have been kicked out. Had you done this at a business, you would have been sacked.

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Forget the peppers Jim, I'm going for a New York steak tonight.Smile


Well, I guess I can forget the clams as well Tony, as I probably could not expect that you would live up to your claim of eating crow if you where proven wrong.

I want you know that I would have delivered up my peppers via fed-ex if necessary, as I believe a man's word is his honor (I am from the south where this is supposed to mean something).

I believe in truth,, and I believe in honesty. I'm not so sure I believe in the "American way" anymore, as it has changed a lot over the years, and I am unsure of what it is anymore.

I am bowing out of this issue unless a technical question is directed to me.

(and yes, when i say that, I actually mean it).


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One tiny hint: buy a UPS, I like APC, and connect your router to the battery backup outlet and not the surge protection only outlet. Now if there is a power outage your connection will remain up and running. There should be enough power in even the smallest unit to keep you up for hours, maybe days?

If you use a laptop, this is particularly important since your laptop will continue running after the power outage.

This is why I will purchase the PHS300 this week, for the battery, even though it lacks some of the interesting features of its siblings.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe, The question you asked Cradle Point was NOT my claim to fame here. All I said and along with the clips from articles from Cisco is that you would benefit in range from N devices because of the mixed mode transmission even with a G device on the other end and yes MIMO will help and is an element of the draft N technology. You twisted all my words to suit your fancy.

All I said is you would see an increase in range even with G devices with the MBR1000 because it was an N device transmitting in the N (Mixed mode).

I never once claimed what you asked Cradle Point! Not once. It was not even the issue here. The ENTIRE issue was will you get increased range with the MBR 1000 because of the mixed mode of transmission because it is an N device utilizing MIMMO. You tore into all my posts and dissected them until there was nothing left to cut. You questioned my integrity and the authenticity of every one of my posts. Go back and look Joe. You tore the .... out of every post I made. It must be some kind of obsession or something? What you asked Cradle Point is NOT what I was saying! Now it's apparent you must have the last word in every conversation you have so I will give you that honor as I am QUITE sure you will tear this post apart too like all my others and you'll twist it to suit your fancy.

Me? I'm going back to lurking and reading here. It's much more productive. My apologies to the administrators and members. That was NOT my intent in the info I posted.

Bottom line what I was trying to say before I was attacked and dissected was you will see an increase in range with the MBR1000. That's it and plainly put yes you will Thank you.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I revoke the original question. Laughing

Thanks again to the two main posters in this thread - even though things got a bit heated it's nice to have a group of users who are helpful and passionate about the technology.

I am glad that I get an acceptable signal from the new router. Heck, I'll probably break down and spend the $ on a N card just to see how much stronger it gets! Razz
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