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TigerFX EVDO User
Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 38
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I and many others would prefer to only pay for the bandwidth required to satify the other 95% of users, and hope that Verizon finds a way to make the 5% pay all the extra costs or throttle them back to 200bps, like satellite internet providers have always done. |
I'm perfectly happy with the 200kpbs throttle. It's what lower-tier cable or DSL offers and is enough to surf the web fast and stream low bandwidth videos. I'm not happy at the idea of 50 cents per MB.
Also don't forget that the 95/5% ratio is going to shift a lot as legal online movie rentals, etc, become more popular. We need more bandwidth, not more restrictions.
| Quote: | | The impact may not be felt in all areas yet, but many towers & switches are overloaded at certain times and the impact of heavy users is obvious and serious. |
I know I'm in the minority, but I am one of very few people using EVDO on my tower (I'm pretty rural) and would like to keep using the bandwidth since I'm not causing huge interference. It's too bad there's no system for that (a per-tower policy - could they devise some algorithm based on number of users?)
| Quote: | | As recreational/personal users come to cellular broadband in place of their cable/dsl/sat service, new rules, new plans and new pricing structures will continue to be experimented with as the service providers adjust to users they never expected to be serving in the way they are. |
I kind of see your point, but assuming they have some sort of fat pipe running to each tower, I don't see how difficult it could be to mount a few more transmitters on each tower. We're paying them a lot of money.
| Quote: | Some of us also remember when our dial up AOL service was billed by the minute, talk about sticker shock at the end of the month
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That was an eternity ago in context. Other nations have ten times our bandwidth at the same prices, and I can't believe that our excuse is just high population densities. Of course that isn't for wireless service, but the bandwidth must be affordable enough to do it. |
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vpnavy EVDO Junkie
Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 168
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| jrp wrote: | | "...Anyone using more than 5 gig a month is doing something that the cellular broadband data system was never intended or designed for, and is using way more than their fair share of the networks shared & limited bandwidth. sometime in the future more bandwidth may be available at the flick of a switch, but right now its very expensive to provide and increase.... |
They sell the service for PC's. Let's not confuse it with using a Cell Phone. I would bet the farm that over 70% of users are on it because they can't get DSL or Cable at home. Verizon knows this and that is exactly why they have made it easy to run off your Desktop. I'll also bet the farm that over 70% of users aren't just "checking their mail." And if they are - how many companies send tiny spreadsheet files? Heck, have you seen how large a PowerPoint file is?
| jrp wrote: | | ...They can afford it by passing the higher costs on to their customers. So you're suggesting we all pay even higher fees to allow 5% of the networks users to download/stream music/movies all day?... |
Do you honestly believe that Verizon will not raise their prices if everyone stays below 5GB? The only reason they haven't raised it right now is because their is competition. Their main objective is profit for their share holders.
Anyway - enough said. |
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firedude EVDO Junkie
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 435
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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First of all Jim there is no shortage of bandwidth. My brother works in the industry and he even says Verizon's bandwidth cap is a joke. They just can't keep up with the supply and demand. They let themselves fall back and now are scrambling to get more evdo up as Sprint is walking in the front doors of many places like here where I am.
As far as satellite providers throttling people back because of their FAP (Fair Acccess Policy)? A joke in itself to a degree. I was with Direcway (Hughes) for over 5 years and was never throttled back for going over my cap. It works all together differently than say Verizon's cap so you can't mix apples and oranges.
EVDO like all other forms of internet connections was designed to be USED, not babied. This is why carriers like Verizon and Sprint (and others) jumped on the bandwagon. It's a delicacy as well since it's MOBILE and they know there is a demand. Verizon as my bro says puts their limit in place to lessen their workload and keep their costs down, NOT to meet public demand. They've failed for years here on the central coast and yep Sprint took their market and will have it all by the time Verizon gets around to meeting their customers requests. It's already happened. Where did Sprint get their bandwidth??Don't you thin k if the bandwidth issue was such a huge problem Sprint would have caps in place as well??? As far as costs being passed onto the customer?? Sheesh there is nothing new there as it has been happening since day one in every industry and will continue no matter how much we think we are "helping" lol. Overloaded towers and switches are the direct result of the providers in failing to keep up with the demand. All the bandwidth in the world is there for them IF they was to buy it, install it and distribute it.
A lot of cable companies and even satellite providers are feeling the crunch of people leaving for faster speeds and more bandwidth and easier mobility and one hell of a lot LESS cost!. I was one and for good reason. It's just another day on the tower................ |
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TigerFX EVDO User
Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 38
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone ever wondered - is there a way to just bypass your ISP and buy bandwidth from wherever they get it from? You say more bandwidth is available if Verizon were to buy it - how outragous would it be for us to go out and buy it ourselves?
An ambitious dream, I know - but I'm so wanting decent bandwidth I'm just curious how feasable that sort of thing is.
Another point to consider: if you purchase web space at a server farm, you can be allocated hundreds of GBs of bandwidth per month on your rental server for less than our ISP's charge us... if we were determined and lived in the right area, could we bypass our ISP's and purchase huge chunks of bandwidth from wherever these web hosts get it from? How viable is that option? The companies do it - how much would it cost us?
And surley if you had enough friends wanting reasonable bandwidth, you could just split the cost.
Let me know if my idea is just way out there. |
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sctrt EVDO Fledgling
Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 19 Location: Hot Springs, AR.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Alex
Thanks for the timely and very informative info.
sctrt |
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Alex Site Admin
Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 3074 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| sctrt wrote: | | Alex Thanks for the timely and very informative info. sctrt |
your welcome.
fyi, more info comes in, and conflicts with previously provided info.
now hearing that there may be an overage charge for $39.99/50MB plan... $0.99 per MB.
not sure if some new overage charge also applies to $59.99/5GB plan |
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uvarules EVDO User
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 46 Location: Manakin-Sabot, Virginia
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:52 am Post subject: I guess I'm missing the "great" deal here: |
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| Alex wrote: | | sctrt wrote: | | Alex Thanks for the timely and very informative info. sctrt |
your welcome.
fyi, more info comes in, and conflicts with previously provided info.
now hearing that there may be an overage charge for $39.99/50MB plan... $0.99 per MB.
not sure if some new overage charge also applies to $59.99/5GB plan |
I guess I just don't see the savings that Verizon is talking about. I have 3 cellphones, Rev A EVDO Card, and a Blackberry (unlimited data plan) with Verizon and my bill is around $200/month.
What is special about unlimited calling on 1 cellphone for $99.00/mo.? And I don't know why they even mention the data plan, isn't that what it is now??? $59.99/mo.
Help me see what I'm missing.
Thanks!!  |
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jackrodgers EVDO Addict
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 1131
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Here's an idea for Comcast:
Portable internet connections.
Not an engineer but how about a small hub so we can unplug/unscrew the cable connection from the back of a TV and tie it into the hub and then user our personal surfing account to do the internet.
This would give me access to the 6 Meg speed of Comcast. |
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xenophon EVDO Addict
Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Posts: 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Sprint's CEO said a few weeks ago that they are preparing to deploy some 'nukes'. Wow if this happens....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080220/bs_nm/wireless_pricing_dc
| Quote: | NEW YORK (Reuters) - No. 3 U.S. mobile service provider Sprint Nextel Corp (S.N) is expected to offer flat-rate calling plans at up to a 40 percent discount to its rivals, hurtling the industry into a price war, analysts said on Wednesday.
Sprint has yet to respond, but analysts say it could be considering an unlimited calling plan for as low as $60 a month in a bid to stem customer defections. |
If something like this happens, I imagine roaming will become complicated again.
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Alex Site Admin
Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 3074 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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yeah. that would start a nice war, wouldn't it?
the consumers should win big in this one!  |
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firedude EVDO Junkie
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 435
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Like I said earlier, let the battle begin! Verizon may have shot themselves in the foot pulling that one. when I called Verizon yesterday and asked how it would affect my 2 line family plan I told the gal that Sprint was offering the same thing and she was totally surprised and said really? Be good for us the consumer to get the prices lowered. Hopefully next will be the data plan war and those prices will come down. Can't do anything but help the economy! |
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xenophon EVDO Addict
Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Posts: 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Alex wrote: |
not sure if some new overage charge also applies to $59.99/5GB plan |
dslreports interpreted the TOS as follows...
| Quote: | | Users on the 50MB plan who cross the monthly limit will pay $1 per each additional megabyte. Users on the 5GB monthly plan (which Verizon used to call unlimited) will pay fifty cents for each additional megabyte. |
Phonescoop also says 50 cents for each additional MB...
http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=2775
Anyone find a link to the new TOS? It true, does this impact existing Verizon data card users or just new users? |
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vpnavy EVDO Junkie
Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 168
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow! Unless I messed up with my math - if someone uses 6GB one month - they will owe $512.00 (.50 per MB X 1024) plus $59.99? That will slow down usage and chase everyone over to Sprint. |
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firedude EVDO Junkie
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 435
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Just spoke to Verizon's Accounts Investigative Unit at 866 221-3979 and confirmed the above mentioned charges for going over on both accounts HOWEVER it is for new customers. If you are an existing customer it will not apply. Whew either way I'm sure glad I bailed to Sprint a few days ago!
On edit...
I don't think they could change your TOS anyway at least without your knowledge and acceptance. That would be a bit illegal I believe and somethi8ng you didn't sign when entering an agreement with them.. One thing I didn't ask was how it may affect your contract if you renewed your 2 year agreement or at the end of such and went month to month like I was for a long time. |
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xenophon EVDO Addict
Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Posts: 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Carriers can change the TOS on existing accounts as long as they offer choice to cancel service with no ETF. But it appears Verizon has grandfathered in existing EVDO card users, as you've confirmed. But probably only for the remainder of the existing contract. |
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