Dormaint Killer expires?

Chuck · EVDO Heavy User Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 149

Got a message from Dormaint Killer that it will stop working on 9/15/05... any replacement for it? I find running three of these while in National access works perfectly and would hate to loose it.

Michael · Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:24 pm Post subject:

We have had 1000's of people using this and unfortunately, it has created a huge bandwidth demand on our servers. We have provided the Dormant Killer application free of charge and we are officially pulling it next week (9/15/05). I wish we could continue to give it away, but each running copy requires additional resources on or servers and potentially affects performance on our web sites.

There has been some discussion on here on EVDOforums related to the dormant mode, how it potentially hogs resources on a tower and other have noticed, that if you are in 1xRTT mode and preventing the dormant mode, you will never see the switch to EVDO.

FYI, we may redesign it and make it available for those that have purchased their EVDO cards from us, remove all the advertising and make it send a much smaller request and receive a much smaller response.
_________________
EVDO :: EVDO News :: EVDO Antennas :: Buy Verizon :: Buy Sprint :: EVDO Amplifier

pismo · Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:36 pm Post subject:

if you redesign it you could also build into it to allow it to go into dormant mode say every 5 minutes to allow an upswitch to evdo.....
maybe even make it a user setable option with different time periods...
_________________
www.LaWirelessWeb.com

Chuck · EVDO Heavy User Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 149

Well, if you offered a way to adjust the delay between refreshes, I for one would be willing to purchase the service. Adjusting the delay would allow me to have only one instance of the program running rather than three. I today was having major issues when not using the program.

Possibly you can tie it in with the login for the forumns and the ads don't bother me at all. You could even place links the the news items on the site.

I would think $25 to $40 a year would cover your bandwidth and give a bit of a profit.

Maybe a poll would show how many people would be willing to pay and at what dollar range.

boater805 · Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject:

unplugged · Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject:

Chuck · EVDO Heavy User Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 149

brownbh3 · EVDO Newbie Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 4

How about checking the time instead?

For Windows XP try http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_inet_time.htm
Or read up on it http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314054/

Chuck · EVDO Heavy User Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 149

Wow... I like it.

Only drawback (slight one) is it requires a reboot each time you change the interval. So its going to be an always on feature that may prevent you from going from national to broadband since the connection never dies.

From watching the total bytes receives line, it only uses 0.1K incoming for each update.

This will last me until Vista is released I guess.

brownbh3 · EVDO Newbie Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 4

The Instructions indicate either
1. reboot
OR
2. stop and start the time service. Not both one or the other. I just stop and start the service to change mine.

Another way to stop and start the Windows Time Service:

To Manually Start Windows Time Service Using the Net Command
1. To open a Command Prompt window, click Start, click Run, type cmd, and then click OK.

2. At the command prompt, type net start w32time, and then press ENTER.

To Manually Stop Windows Time Service Using the Net Command
1. To open a Command Prompt window, click Start, click Run, type cmd, and then click OK.

2. At the command prompt, type net stop w32time, and then press ENTER.

What does it really matter how often you check the time..... Hey you'll alway's be on time Smile

.

simeyla · EVDO Newbie Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 6

urm.. doesnt this work just as well

ping -t www.verizon.com

?

Chuck · EVDO Heavy User Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 149

Zorog · EVDO Heavy User Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Posts: 135

OK, guys, I'll post this one more time.

For those of you trying to get around the design of EVDO by preventing your session from dormancy - Imagine if people never hung up their cell phone? You would be back in the days of "busy" signals when you try to connect. I know, the rules are different for some of us, right? You can decide to never release the RF resources, but you will be quite annoyed when it is YOU who cannot get a signal or decent throughput.

I saw a reference on another thread to EVDO as "high capacity", but in truth it is very limited. Only 59 users can be on a sector, and they will all max out at about 14.4kbps when that happens. Sound like fun? That's the environment you will be creating when you disable dormancy and tie up the fundamental channels.

Dormancy is there for a reason - TO GIVE YOU THE BEST POSSIBLE PERFORMANCE! A 2 second pause after you've been idle for half a minute is a small, mostly unnoticed thing. If you keep your session alive, and never release the RF resources, you are stealing fundamental channels that affect everybody else. The whole idea of giving you a fast data session is to get your data and get out so someone else can use the system. At full data rate (about 2M) only one user at a time can get that speed! The more users there are, the slower they ALL get.

I have not yet heard of a legitimate reason to avoid dormancy. In every instance, a slight tweak of the TCP registry will prevent any application from timing out or failing. There are instructions on this very site. By tying up these channels, you are going to force the carriers to drop the dormancy timer from 20 seconds to 10. And if you crank up the speed of your timer, it will get dropped to 5. And if that doesn’t work, the "release when complete" feature will be enabled, releasing the RF the moment a TCP close session packet flys by. They are not going to spend another $80,000 to add more channels to your cell site, it's far more cost effective to change the timers, or detect the traffic patterns and terminate sessions. What would you do if you were responsible for the network?

Most of the folks that visit this site are responsible, and understand the fundamentals of this new, SHARED network. Some just seam rather zealous at the opportunity to bypass something they perceive as "bad", and maybe want to stick it to a Carrier. Unfortunately, it is all of us in the user community who will suffer, not the carrier.

I encourage you to tolerate dormancy, as it ultimately gives you the greatest speed and throughput possible on a shared public network.

(OK, I'm off my soapbox now. I'm not trying to kick an anthill here, just hoping to enlighten those who do not understand the purpose of dormancy. No flames, please! Very Happy

)

brendanhoar · EVDO Heavy User Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 140

Chuck · EVDO Heavy User Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 149

The reason I need to get around it is I have experienced many instances where the time it takes the connection to come out of dormant mode causes the program I am using to think it lost contact with the Internet and it basically forces me to start over. These program are proprietary ones I use for work, there is no way around this.

It is very bad in National Access mode, where I thought of getting rid of EVDO all together because it was becoming useable.

These stay-alive tweaks and programs have made the service usable.

This latest tweak is really the first one that uses such a tiny amount of bandwidth and Once I make a macro to do so, I can turn it on and off with the click of an icon.

What world are you living in? Half a minute to go to dormancy? When is the last time you timed it? I am finding dormancy after 12 seconds and it takes far longer than two seconds to come out of it in national access. This isn't in one cell; it is throughout the SE USA.

I'm not going to flame you at this point strictly out of respect for the board. But I have read your post before and they have the same effect on me... nothing, your opinions on this subject has no meaning to me or my circumstances and it won't cause my programs to start tolerating the dormant mode. Could they be better designed? yeah... but I'm stuck with what I got and your half minute comment really shows how out of touch you are with what verizon is doing. You automatically assume we just leave the anti-dormant mode tweaks going 24/7... I'd say 95% of us don't, surfing the web I don't see any slow down with the dormant mode going so I have no need for the tweaks.

We get your points, your assumptions about us are wrong and we just don't care about your opinion.