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EVDO modem with max output power?

 
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toughguy99
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: EVDO modem with max output power? Reply with quote

Hi,

I've never owned EVDO before so I'm looking for advice. This question isn't specific to PCMCIA/ExpressCard modems, but I couldn't find a place to post questions that apply to both PCMCIA/ExpressCard and USB modems.

I noticed some (all?) EVDO modems have auxiliary power sources. In some cases they have two USB cables; some have a LiOn battery. Maybe there are external AC power supplies, too, but I haven't seen those yet Smile

I'd like to get the modem with the best broadcast power without distortion, regardless of form factor. I'll add an external antenna later if needed, but I don't want to add an amp (ruins portability).

If I want to maximize output power without distortion should make sure to get a modem with an auxiliary power source? Does it matter? Do all modems sold at 3gstore.com have auxiliary power sources even if it's not mentioned in the write-up?

thanks,
tough guy.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: EVDO modem with max output power? Reply with quote

toughguy99 wrote:
Do all modems sold at 3gstore.com have auxiliary power sources even if it's not mentioned in the write-up?


nope. and for the most part, additional power has rarely been needed.

I believe that at this time the CDU680 for sprint, and the USB720 and UM150 for verizon, are the only USB modems that currently ship with a Y cable.

IMHO, Max output power is not USB modem specific, but rather its a result of max available power. If you want max output power, you just provide more power than you can get from a single USB port.

The way I would do it is use a quality powered USB hub.

but then again, providing the power source, doesn't guarantee the modem will actually take advantage of it.

A modem's power demand is equivalent to its signal strength. the weaker the signal, the more power a modem wants.

a modem operating under good/great signal conditions will not use more power to broadcast or receive, just because more power is available to it.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: EVDO modem with max output power? Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
the USB720 and UM150 for verizon, are the only USB modems that currently ship with a Y cable.


The USB727 doesn't come with a Y cable? But it seems like the "cadillac" of Nortel USB EVDO modems, no? IOW, I thought it was marketed as a higher quality product than the USB720.

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IMHO, Max output power is not USB modem specific, but rather its a result of max available power. If you want max output power, you just provide more power than you can get from a single USB port.


Being new to EVDO, I won't presume to teach you about EVDO transceivers, but I do know a bit about RF. In general, all RF transmitters are rated for a maximum power output rating. RF transmitters start to distort and clip as they broadcast at or above their max rating, reducing S/N ratio (think of what your stereo speakers sound like when you turn the volume up to maximum--usually not very good unless of course your speakers are rated to handle more than the max output power of the amp...but i digress). The maximum output may not always be used (or needed), but different models offer different maximums because their components are different.

For example, off-the-shelf wifi cards (not routers) are usually rated between 20-400 milliwatts. Obviously, I want the one that can emit 400 if needed. [Sidenote: transmit output power alone doesn't necessarily mean good bandwidth because it doesn't account for S/N ratio and quality of thereceived (input) signal--in the case of wifi, that's the signal from the wifi router].

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The way I would do it is use a quality powered USB hub.

Good advice but this reduces portability Smile

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a modem operating under good/great signal conditions will not use more power to broadcast or receive, just because more power is available to it.

Right. But we all know that good/great conditions aren't always reality.... that's why I want to get a modem with the highest possible output power. By the way, the SAR ratings are determined in part by device output power--higher output powers generally yield higher SAR ratings.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have an answer but if the manf. does not specify output power on their web site you could look up the FCC ID on the FCC database and see if it is provided there as part of the cert. filing.

That said, I don't think that looking for max power output will be the most accurate way to judge the performance of an EVDO card.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: EVDO modem with max output power? Reply with quote

toughguy99 wrote:
The USB727 doesn't come with a Y cable? But it seems like the "cadillac" of Nortel USB EVDO modems, no? IOW, I thought it was marketed as a higher quality product than the USB720.

don't buy into all the marketing hype. only things i can see that make the USB727 superior to USB720 is smaller size, better built-in antenna, and that way-cool and ever-useful MicroSD slot that does nothing to improve upon EVDO connectivity.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Output power is a function of CDMA power control and is handled by the software in the EVDO device and the base station you're connecting to. This is pertient for USB EVDO devices because the reason most of them come with the Y-cable is because USB spec states that a single host may provide no more than 500mA of power. Most of the Rev. A devices using Qualcomm MSM6800 chipsets or newer will pull around 850mA of power at maximum output, thus causing the device to brown out if it is plugged into a single USB host. This is also why people who are using Powerbook G4 Macs see their USB devices, "reset" a lot in low coverage. The G4 used one USB host controller for both ports. This does not affect ExpressCard and PCMCIA cards because those physical interfaces provide the power required automatically.

The EVDO device will automatically step up power as required to maintain a connection. Adding an external antenna to that will lower the amount of power required from the device by boosting the signal-to-noise ratio floor (antenna gain). So then, using an antenna to boost signal and EVDO device power output are indirectly correlated.

In sum, you really have no direct control over the EVDO device's power output; that is controlled by the device software in conjunction with the base station. What you do have control over is the ability to provide a higher quality signal via external antenna and/or amplifier to lower the amount of power the card has to use to maintain the connection.
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