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bill_best
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject: PHS300 A/C -> battery handoff... Reply with quote

Does anyone know how the PHS300 handles switching to and from A/C and battery mode?

I want to know if it will stay connected even when switching from one source to the other. I want to use it in my car and the power gets cut on my CTR350 when I start my engine.

Thanks! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i pull the a/c adapter from an operating phs300, it automatically switches to battery power, without losing connection.

just like you hope it would!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great news!

I kinda figured it would work like that, but it's best to get confirmation.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And...

While plugged in via AC, you can swap batteries without losing a connection.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice! The PHS300 is going to be a very cool product. I'm wanting to purchase one, but I hesitate over losing the ethernet jack, which is so useful for sharing a hotel network easily among many family devices when wifi isn't present.

The sustained power when switching your vehicle on/off may be worth the upgrade though, although my Durango's rear power source isn't switched, so I don't have to worry about it there, (just have to remember to unplug it when not travelling).

Our other vehicle would see the benefit, however. I prefer to mount the router in the rear of the vehicle, so it's out of sight and out of the way. With the PHS300, if you have a switched power source, you wouldn't necessarily have to worry about unplugging a CTR-350, but if you wanted sustained service whether the vehicle was on or off, you'd need a PHS300 - then you have to either leave it and let the battery drain, to recharge when you next drive, or have to turn it off.

There are benefits to both. I forget how Lithium ions handle repeated full discharges, I wonder if that would be a problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may also be possible to use a battery backup like an APC with surge protection and battery power. Plug it into your ac outlet or an inverter and then plug your router into the ac outlets on the ups that deliver battery backup power.

If this works, the batteries in even the smallest APC ups should power the router for a week or two.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackrodgers wrote:
It may also be possible to use a battery backup like an APC with surge protection and battery power. Plug it into your ac outlet or an inverter and then plug your router into the ac outlets on the ups that deliver battery backup power.

If this works, the batteries in even the smallest APC ups should power the router for a week or two.


I tried this with a modified sine wave inverter and a Belkin UPS, and the Belkin would not power up from the inverter. I have a pure since wave inverter arriving later this week, and bet that fixes the problem.

You gotta figure that the cheaper Belkin USP's are nothing more than a 12V battery hooked up to a cheap inverter/charger, with a little surge protection (dont get me started on surge... I live in the 2nd most lighting stuck place on earth, and the Belkin equipement protection group know me well - [insert inaproprate words here]).

The battery from a belkin 550 UPS, is a 12v 5ah lead sealed acid battery, with a charge rating of 14.9 volts. Basically, its a very small car battery.
The good news is that you can directly charge this small battery from a car lighter plug. The bad news is that when you turn the car off, if you do not unplug it, anything on that side of the ignition switch will get powered form the little battery.

You are gonna lose a lot efficiency going from 12V to an inverter, to the UPS and down to 5V. Probably better just to go from 12V to 5V.

I hooked up one of these UPS batterys to the CTR-350 car charger adapter, and got disapointing result... about 4hours of use before the battery voltage went below 10.5 volts. It continued to run the router for about a day (however, that is bad for the battery when it goes below 10.5 volts, and I doubt the car adapter has much voltage regulation built in, so no telling how low the voltage got before the router finally quit).

Hooking up the CTR-350 directly to the UPS ran for only about 2.5 hours.

FWIW, I used to think a small UPS would run something small for a long time as well, figuring if it could power a desktop computer for 20 minutes, it could run a cable modem and router for many hours (or perhaps even days). After all the hurricanes, I can tell you, it will not.

On the other hand, it is amazing how much power they can pack into the lithium battery packs these days.

I just finished installing a 100amp AGM deep cycle battery under the seat of the car. Now that might run the CTR-350 for awhile!

Joe
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