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thebordella
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Question about using Hyperlink grid antenna Reply with quote

I am setting up a Hyperlink Tech "2.4 GHz 24 dBi High Performance Die Cast Reflector Grid" for Verizon EVDO reception. Although not quite PCS frequency, this antenna was recommended in another thread as performing well for PCS:

http://www.evdoforums.com/thread6794.html

Question: in the above discussion, it is said:

"Be sure you mount them with the feed and ribbing running vertically."

The instructions included with the antenna describe two configurations: vertical parabola orientation with horizontal feed (for horz. polarization) or horizontal parabola with vertical feed (for vert. polarization). The image on their site shows the horiz. polarization configuration:



Can anyone clarify how I should configure the parabola and feed for PCS? Should I really orient the parabola vertically AND the feed vertically?

thanks!
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xrayman
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CEL/PCS use vertical polarization. Your antenna should also use vertical polarization. I would followed the suggestion in the post by n6gn: "Be sure you mount them with the feed and ribbing running vertically." I would assemble the parabola exactly as on the illustration in your posting but turn it 90 degrees when mounting to achieve vertical polarization. That way the ribs are vertical and the feed is vertical.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Ultimately, I did go with the vertical polarization orientation and it seems to be working.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How's it working for you? Were you using another type of antenna prior to this? If so, how do they compare?
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thebordella
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before using the grid, I was trying to use an omni. My location is very difficult due to hills and trees (I made another post detailing this).

The omni was not working very well, at least not consistently.

The grid antenna is fantastic. However, it took a lot of experimentation to find an optimal configuration. There are several towers in the vicinity and some were pulling better signal than others, no doubt due to topography, distance, and magic fairy dust.

Ultimately, I found an orientation that showed no signal at all with the omni (or the modem's internal antenna), but the grid is picking up a signal in the low to mid 90's.

That may not sound so great, but the "quality" of the signal must be quite good -- speed tests show about 1100kbps down, 300kbps up. I know that a friend with a much stronger signal strength (low 80's) is only getting a smidge more speed than this.

I'm pretty happy with the grid antenna considering the obstacles, and forestation, it is aiming through.
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JeffA
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is anyone making a grid antenna specifically tuned to the 1.9Ghz range? I'm also looking at this as an option.

I wonder how well this would work?

http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/hg2430g.php

59" Diameter.. Thats big
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Is anyone making a grid antenna specifically tuned to the 1.9Ghz range?


I'm no expert, but my original inspiration for trying the smaller grid antenna was a post by another member, n6gn (?). He had tested a variety of antennas and found that, although "tuned" for 2.4ghz, it lost only 0.5db at 1.9ghz. For most purposes I'd regard that as nearly equivalent.

One would think the 59 incher would work well for the same reasons, but it could be a bear to setup, and costs a whole lot more.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey thebordellae is there one of those antennas that will work with sprint service ....they run on the 1900mhz side...also where did you get that ....I need one ....Im sure it would be greatly benificial to me as it was to you ....I am in an area like you explaned...hills and trees and such...
If yoiu could please let me know where i may find one for sprint u720
thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayson wrote:
hey thebordellae is there one of those antennas that will work with sprint service ....they run on the 1900mhz side...also where did you get that ....I need one ....Im sure it would be greatly benificial to me as it was to you ....I am in an area like you explaned...hills and trees and such...
If yoiu could please let me know where i may find one for sprint u720
thanks


I bought the antenna pictured at the top of this thread directly from the vendor:

http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/hg2424g.php

I hope that's ok to post here, because I don't think 3G Store sells this.

The antenna doesn't care if you are on Sprint or Verizon. You just need the proper cabling to reach your U720 modem. This may require at least two lengths of cable -- one to run from the antenna to inside your house, and a short pigtail to connect this extension cable to your modem. Both these kinds of cables are sold by 3G store if you contact them.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey thank you so much for the quick reply on that ... I am thinking of buying one of these soon ..... I would love to see a download increase ... that would be awsome... thanks again ..
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to add thebordella that I am running a wilson amp so I would only need to get the cable to reach from the antenna to the amp ..... I already have the cable and adapter that goes from the amp to my u720 modem.. Do you think that 3g would be able to get me the proper cable and adapter to get me up and running!?... I would be tickled to death to get a download like you said yours did... with the wilson trucker antenna I have seen around 400 to 500 kbs download and about 100 upload .... I am an avid ebayer so beter speed would mean less time spent buying and selling my things!! If I may ask around what did you spend to get the antenna and the cable that you needed to get up and running.. thanks for your reply...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im using the same antenna in my setup. Actually I'm in the middle of my install right now. A thought occured to me while I was up on the roof setting the tripod mast. How will the antenna function after a hail/sleet/ice storm? Will a significant coating of Ice be detrimental to the signal?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

onaquest wrote:
Im using the same antenna in my setup. Actually I'm in the middle of my install right now. A thought occured to me while I was up on the roof setting the tripod mast. How will the antenna function after a hail/sleet/ice storm? Will a significant coating of Ice be detrimental to the signal?

onaquest


Good question. Not having a lot of experience with ice and antennas I can't tell you for sure but my first guess is that the reflector, the grid, will probably operate just fine. I'd expect any issues to be around encasing the entire feed in ice, which would probably detune it somewhat. Pure water/ice is a good dielectric and might not actually make too much difference on a broadband antenna of this type, particularly on one that is already tuned high to begin with. I'd expect a yagi antenna, which has higher Q, to fare much worse in this sort of situation.

If you suspect you have a problem, how about a cottage cheese container (or similar) radome around the dipole and reflector to keep the ice off?

n6gn
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thebordella wrote:
Using a dish antenna for wireless

Ultimately, I found an orientation that showed no signal at all with the omni (or the modem's internal antenna), but the grid is picking up a signal in the low to mid 90's.

I'm pretty happy with the grid antenna considering the obstacles, and forestation, it is aiming through.


Has anyone tried a dish antenna feeding the card in the wireless router mounted at the dish and receiving the wireless signal from the router with a wireless card in the PC as this gets rid of long cable runs from the antenna to the computer even tho mounting the router so it is waterproof and getting the DC voltage to the router gets troublesome.
I am considering this approach with the antenna at fifty feet high and 200 feet from the computer.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fordrhs41 wrote:

Has anyone tried a dish antenna feeding the card in the wireless router mounted at the dish and receiving the wireless signal from the router with a wireless card in the PC as this gets rid of long cable runs from the antenna to the computer even tho mounting the router so it is waterproof and getting the DC voltage to the router gets troublesome.
I am considering this approach with the antenna at fifty feet high and 200 feet from the computer.


You need to get power to the router and EVDO card, that requires a run of wire. I would run cat 5e cable to the computer. You say it is only a 200 foot run, much less then the 328 ft limit. Even if you want to use the wireless method, I would mount the router and EVDO card near ground level in a waterproof enclosure that would provide easy access. Using low loss LMR600 or LMR400 cable from the antenna down to the enclosure. I would not like to climb the tower every time I needed to service the electronics.
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