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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: PCMCIA Adapter is now included with KPC680 from Alltel

Just an FYI for those folks who get their cards from Alltel, the latest batch of KPC680 cards is now coming WITH a PCMCIA adapter. According to Kyocera, this is also the "sled" that they are now suggesting people use with the KR1 Router and that card.

MANY stores have the older version which does not include the adapter, so be sure to look for one that has a sticker on the front that says:
"PCMCIA Adapter Included"

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:36 am    Post subject:

Be aware that the adapter included with the KPC680 may or may not work with the KR1 at this time. See the "New KPC680 & KR1" thread (particularly Mackieman's comments). In short, you may still need to buy the Novatel adapter to use the KPC680 in the KR1.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject:

According to Kyocera's tech support, this is the adapter that they prefer that you use with the 680 and the KR1.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject:

FLTRider wrote:
According to Kyocera's tech support, this is the adapter that they prefer that you use with the 680 and the KR1.

Hopefully you don't think I'm shilling for 3G trying to get you to buy an adapter you don't need (I'm not)! It's just that if Mackieman says

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There is a PCMCIA adapter for KPC680 but it does not work with KR1 due to the adapter drivers not being present in KR1 firmware. A USB adapter (not released yet) will allow the KPC680 to work with KR1 using RK1010.

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The Kyocera PCMCIA adapter will not work in KR1 for reasons I mentioned above. I did try it with the Novatel PCMCIA adapter and it worked pretty well.

I tend to pay attention. He doesn't advertise his affiliation but most of his posts address Kyocera aircard and router issues. Hmm... Wink

I just didn't want you wondering why it didn't work (if it indeed doesn't work). Please be sure and let us know how it works out.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject:

I understand, completely, I really do. However, his posts were BEFORE the latest rev. of the firmware for the KR1....

The last 2 revs of the firmware are compatible with this card and the included sled....again, according to Kyocera's tech support.

Just an FYI.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: PCMCIA Adapter for KPC680

There shouldn't be ANY firmware upgrade needed for the "sled" adapter that comes with the KPC680, should there?

It is a only change of pin placement - just as it is with the Novatel - which also requires no firmware change - or driver.

This is information I got from the Novatel site.
Perhaps it is not correct?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject:

Each sled requires a driver, and the Novatel sled was compatible with the router. It still is, but according to Kyocera, their sled included with the 680 card is also compatible with the KR1 router.

I tend to believe the folks here, so I am going to try it with my included sled, but I am also preparing to buy the sled from 3G if it doesn't work.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:47 pm    Post subject: Novatel XCA-3

This is an excerpt from the XCA-3 datasheet:

"Total Transparency
Use of the XCA-3 adapter is completely transparent to the computer. All device drivers and applications “see” the ExpressCard in the adapter as if the adapter was built in to the notebook. Intelligent hardware on the adapter resolves all compatibility issues by converting ExpressCard signals to Cardbus signals and visa versa. This is done transparently to both the ExpressCard and the notebook."

Please note that the use of the term "device drivers" refers to any PCMCIA device - NOT the conversion from Express card to PCMCIA - thus the term "transparency".
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:29 am    Post subject:

Then why is there such a big deal about using CERTAIN sleds with the KPC680 and the KR1 router? According to many people here, the Novatel sled is the ONLY one to use.....

I'm not discounting what you posted, but that just makes me more confused based on the other posts regarding sleds.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:26 am    Post subject:

Actually, I think the excerpt provides a clue as to why this particular adapter (Novatel XCA-3 Expresscard to PCMCIA adapter) seems to work where other adapters fail:

"Intelligent hardware on the adapter resolves all compatibility issues...."

So the KR1 doesn't need a firmware update to work with this particular sled -- the "intelligence" built into the sled takes care of it. At least that's my take on it.

Also, I see in the New KPC680 & KR1 thread that someone is using the Novatel Expresscard to USB adapter with the KPC680/KR1. Using an Expresscard to USB adapter would give you more options (e.g., use it with a desktop).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject:

As I said, I am going to try the new Kyocera sled that came with the 680 inside my new KR1 router that should arrive today. The worst that can happen is that I have to buy a new sled from 3gstore, which is no big deal.

I will post results or lack of tonight!!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Sled with KPC680 will NOT work with KR1

OK, I have found out for CERTAIN that the sled (PCMCIA adapter) that comes WITH the KPC680 will NOT work with the KR1 router. I had a level 2 tech from D-Link tell me the other day that all 3 were tested and worked....tonight, one of the higher-ups, after over an hour on the phone, said NO WAY. The KR1 will ONLY support the KPC680 via a USB to Express Card adapter.

Now, some people have had success with the Novatel PCMCIA adapter, and I believe them, but D-Link stated it is better to use a USB converter. Anyway, I am now in search of one and have been on the phone with 3Gstore tech support before I talked to Kyocera/D-Link. Anyway, just an FYI, do NOT plan on using the Kyocera sled, card and router....they will not work.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject:

FLTRIDER:

I'm sorry to hear about your experience with the KPC680 sled.
Kyocera should be embarrassed that their sled doesn't work with a router designed for them by D-LINK.

Kyocera also has apparently NOT developed an antenna adapter for this model as yet. Ridiculous!

It makes me think that if I replace my KPC650, I'll do it with a PC5750.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:14 am    Post subject:

I do love the card, and the router is awesome along with the support from 3gstore. BUT.....you are very correct. Kyocera should be embarrassed that their top 2 devices for this market do not work together.

I sure hope they fix this, and FAST.....I really need to find a USB to ExpresCard adapter and fast....

I know 3G sells one, but I can't tell if that one (SIIG) will take an ExpressCard alone, or does it require a sled? The slot on it looks like a PCMCIA slot, not an Express slot....

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:39 am    Post subject: Shed the Sled

This is a link to two posts that show you could go a different route than that 680 card.
I know 3g doesn't handle Alltel but LetsTalk does and has VERY good rebates for new service and the contract. I'm not saying anything against 3g, I've talked with them and purchased products from them. Great company.
Here's the link.

http://www.evdoforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=7023&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

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