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waynefoutz
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kalen43 wrote:
waynefoutz wrote:
Is wimax going to be a nationwide deal or just in metropolitan areas? Will it be a viable replacement for the current 3g technologies? Is Wimax what they are planning for the analog television frequencies when they are booted off the air next February? Anyone know what the pricing on such a service might be?


Well they were planning to hit like 125 million users I think was the target.

But the first issue is the formation of the new company. Once thats done they'll probably finish the roll out in DC and chicago. Then they'll hit the major metro area's and start moving out from there.

Depending on where you're actually at and how remote will figure into that 125 mil number. But either way theres a long wait before they actually startup again.


At least they are working on something. I'm strictly a mobile user, I drive a truck for a living. 5-6 years ago, before wi-fi and EVDO, my only internet access was a service called parknview, where they ran phone lines under the truck stop pavement. For $30 a month, you ran a 75 foot phone cord out your window to what looked like a speed bump on the parking lot. After a few months, half of them didn't even work, it was hit or miss. You'd pull into a crowded truckstop, grabbed one of the few remaining parking spaces, stretched out your phone cord, (it was ALWAYS a tangled mess) plugged it in and hoped you got a dial tone. About 25% of the time you didn't. If you didn't, you got out of the truck, raveled the cord back up while cussing, and either gave up or moved to another parking space, if there were any left, and started the process over again. All this for crummy dial-up. 5 years later I basically have a connection as fast as a DSL line, and I'm sitting in the middle of NOWHERE somewhere in Arkansas. (another reason the 5 gig cap is maddening to me, WHO AM I REALLY HURTING out here? deer don't use laptops or Insight phones.)
But anyway, I'm pretty optimistic something better will come into play soon, a network that can handle the users with out the need for capping.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

waynefoutz wrote:
Is wimax going to be a nationwide deal or just in metropolitan areas?...
Initially it was to be nstalled in Chicago and Washington DC to get lessons learned. That plan was several months ago though.

Has anyone heard of a newer or different roll-out plan?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ebiz wrote:
LTE is estimated to offer 50 to 100 Mbps downstream.


Great! Then we can hit the 5 GB cap in just 6 minutes and 50 seconds. Laughing Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CraigCraig wrote:
ebiz wrote:
LTE is estimated to offer 50 to 100 Mbps downstream.


Great! Then we can hit the 5 GB cap in just 6 minutes and 50 seconds. Laughing Rolling Eyes


I seriously doubt wimax will have a 5GB cap.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="waynefoutz"][quote="kalen43"]
waynefoutz wrote:


For $30 a month, you ran a 75 foot phone cord out your window to what looked like a speed bump on the parking lot. After a few months, half of them didn't even work, it was hit or miss. You'd pull into a crowded truckstop, grabbed one of the few remaining parking spaces, stretched out your phone cord, (it was ALWAYS a tangled mess) plugged it in and hoped you got a dial tone. About 25% of the time you didn't. If you didn't, you got out of the truck, raveled the cord back up while cussing, and either gave up or moved to another parking space, if there were any left, and started the process over again.


Wayne, your description of that was truly painful. I can't believe that was the option back then, take it or leave it. I hope you're one of the first to see WiMax!!!! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sprint Announces New XOHM Launch Date
"Barry West, Sprint’s chief over its high-speed wireless WiMax initiative, said the service finally would launch in Baltimore in September." and "Mobile WiMAX services will follow in the Washington DC and Chicago markets during Q4 2008." "We're already looking at other markets to launch after that." http://sprintconnection.kansascity.com/?q=node/652

"West says that over 575 Xohm WiMAX base station sites are on air, with a number of devices going through its own testing labs." "It's the only technology I know where the chipset evolution for devices is going faster than the infrastructure," "The access devices available at launch will include a Samsung AirCard, a modem from ZyXEL, a ZTE USB dongle, the Nokia Internet tablet [N810]", and Intel inside laptops. Others will follow."
http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017544080.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good news. Let's hope the Samsung card is dual mode, with EVDO/1xRTT too.

Sprint should stop selling EVDO only devices and carry a dual mode card only, attempting to force other EVDO card makers to get into the WiMAX game.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad news. The Samsung card is WiMAX only...

click here

Not wise. Sprint will need to depend on EVDO as a backup until WiMAX is fully rolled out.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kalen43 wrote:


I seriously doubt wimax will have a 5GB cap.


Maybe not a hard 5GB cap, just "at their discretion" cap. I'm assuming that XHOM will adopt a similar TOS that the new WiMAX company Clearwire already uses: http://www.clearwire.com/company/legal/aup.htm

It reads like the gestapo is running the network and they can slam your account shut at the slightest whim. They even request you rat out your neighbors if they violate their AUP -- can we say nazi? I guess if you think you're the only game in town you can screw people. . .

No thank you Clearwire/XHOM.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woody2006 wrote:
kalen43 wrote:


I seriously doubt wimax will have a 5GB cap.


Maybe not a hard 5GB cap, just "at their discretion" cap. I'm assuming that XHOM will adopt a similar TOS that the new WiMAX company Clearwire already uses: http://www.clearwire.com/company/legal/aup.htm

It reads like the gestapo is running the network and they can slam your account shut at the slightest whim. They even request you rat out your neighbors if they violate their AUP -- can we say nazi? I guess if you think you're the only game in town you can screw people. . .

No thank you Clearwire/XHOM.


Nope. Considering the cable companies are getting involved to stream content from TV shows to HD movies. You just have to read previous articles posted in this thread about what all these companies want to use xohm for to understand they couldn't put a 5gig cap on Xohm without slitting their own throats.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would imagine that most of the people do the most complaining have never had the responsibility of designing or planning anything...

40 years ago in Fort Lauderdale they expanded a road, Commercial Boulevard from two lanes to 4 lanes with a divider. Two weeks after this beautifully smooth asphalt road was finished the sewer project began and dug up portions of the road running sewer pipe under the road bed...

In Okeechobee FL they are repaving two lane roads that have been worn down by heavy truck traffic. Planning records show all of the farm land has been bought up for housing projects and this road will be inadequate within two years.

And so it goes.

There is no way with a limited budged to design anything to accommodate future growth, especially in the computer industry.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="jackrodgers"]I would imagine that most of the people do the most complaining have never had the responsibility of designing or planning anything...

...There is no way with a limited budged to design anything to accommodate future growth, especially in the computer industry.[/quote

Jack if I were making a gazillion dollars a month I think it would be reasonable for people to assume that my company would have contingency plans to deal with various scenarios including leaks that started the 5 GB cap rumor...

Sprint's idea seems to be to quietly sneak the 5 GB cap in which didn't work and now it says there will be no overage charges but will terminate some but not all users that go over 5 GB 2 out of 3 months. Wonderful.
For users that require more than 5 GB/month, Sprints solution is to tell them to go pound sand.

The problem with Sprint caps (and Sprint) is that no one at Sprint knows what is going on. Sprint had/has no plans for damage control, they are out of touch with reality and with their customers.

In an age where often the only differentiating factor between service providers is customer service, Sprint seems to be doing it's best to ignore it's customers and customer service.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And again Craig......whats with this sneaking crap? The problem is some idiot sprint employee released a memo to someone he/she wasn't authorized to while the 5G cap was in the "let's talk about it" phase. The company had not developed any policy nor was it aware that a leak had occured. So of course the customer reps didn't know anything about it!

And sneak? How the heck do you get that. They would have announced it the same way VZ and AT&T did. Through the billing system.

And for most of the customer rep postions I was trained for and worked you didn't hear about a new policy (other then by rumor) until the email/training was held a few days before that policy went live.

And even today......there is going to be a 5G cap but whats going to be done about excessive useage will be on a case by case basis.....interpration of what my bill states and the latest conversation with a customer rep manager.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it that every thread is turning into a cap discussion? Verizon/ATT have had caps much longer. Sprint has made no mention of a cap yet for WiMAX. No point in discussing unless they bring it up. WiMAX is designed to be a data network from the ground up and likely won't have a cap that low if at all. But given that all ISPs are heading to caps, WiMAX may have one, but not likely 5GB.

Back to topic, more than 100 WiMAX products expected to be certified by end of this year...

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2219565/wimax-forum-certification
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for this info:

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XOHM announced this week that it will be launching its first commercial market in Baltimore, Maryland in September 2008.

Up next are Chicago and Washington, DC, with commercial service planned to be ready by the end of this year.

WiMAX network preparations continue in Dallas, Fort Worth, Boston, Providence, and Philadelphia. Launch dates for those cities have not yet been decided.

If you are a XOHM Insider and live in the Baltimore area, expect to hear from us in the coming weeks with more detail on our launch plans.

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