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Apple says 3G iPhone with EVDO in 2008?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: Apple says 3G iPhone with EVDO in 2008? Reply with quote

TheStreet has an article about an interview between iPhone product chief Greg Joswiak and RBC analyst Mike Abramsky:

"two possible additions to the iPhone family: a cheaper $349 to $399 model possibly by Christmas, and a faster 3G phone sometime next year."

full article is available at this page on thestreet.com
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By then Sprint will be rolling out 4G Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 3G will most likely by HSDPA and not EVDO. AT&T is supposed to have a multi-year exclusivity agreement with Apple.

If the iPhone can survive long enough we might see an EVDO (Rev C, with luck) model by the end of the decade.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be willing to bet that he means GSM 3G, or UMTS/HSDPA. Due to Apple's contract with AT&T, I don't think we'll see a CDMA version until 2010 or later.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apple Computer has made some blunders in the past but in the past few years has been fairly right on under Steve Jobs.

The first Apple portable was a few years behind the PC laptops and was black and white while everyone else was doing color. It was big, heavy and soon supplanted by the lightest portable on the market and its slightly heavier brethern. Again, B&W. Soon color came with the 180.

Now I use, after buying almost a dozen different Apple Laptops, a MacBook Pro which leaves little to be desired other than better cooling.

The first iPhone was remarkable but a significant blunder in choice of Telcos. Now that the initial buying frenzy is over and people are beginning to realize this problem, sales should drop and not meet sales projections. Apple will rebound and improve as it always does.

Think of how dreary the PC world would be if there never was an Apple Computer to lead the way and show folks how to do stuff!

Anyway, I wonder if Apple can deliver a second device different enough from the iPhone so that it could join hands with Sprint and Verizon. Hope AT&T wasn't that constricting in their contract.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hype appears to be over as Apple is rumored to cut iPhone production in half of original plans.

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/08/01/aapl-hammered-yesterday-on-iphone-production-rumors/

If iPhone were more like a true PDA with the noted problems addressed, I think it would have a much broader appeal. Apple will keep at it and will get it right in 2nd or 3rd gen. But they are becoming a proprietary company that steers users to Apple-sponsored content, which I don't think they can do successfully for much longer.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xenophon wrote:
The hype appears to be over as Apple is rumored to cut iPhone production in half of original plans.

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/08/01/aapl-hammered-yesterday-on-iphone-production-rumors/



I just love rumors and how they can fly so high and people can take advantage of them. I personally have no clue if the rumors are true or false. But I don't mind a pull back on the stock either which allows for additional buy-ins. Time will tell but I would not sit here TODAY and say that the Hype is over and Apple is cutting production without any real proof.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/20058194/

Actually there were a handfull more reports like this but no use posting all of them.

Enjoy.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, it is a rumor. But media creates hype and media kills hype, typically on perception. The iPhone hype appears to be over.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackrodgers wrote:
Anyway, I wonder if Apple can deliver a second device different enough from the iPhone so that it could join hands with Sprint and Verizon. Hope AT&T wasn't that constricting in their contract.



I would hope this would be possible since I think ANY phone being available on multiple networks would allow consumers to make their purchasing decisions on the hardware and features of the phone and not be bound by the carrier itself.

I have always hated seeing certain phones to come out first on one provider and not the other and by the time the other provider gets the phone(6 months later) if at all, the newest and greatest is already old technology.

I know this is how the providers play the game and lock in clients and unfortunatly we are left to play with their rules with no real open options other than getting hit with early terminations etc.

Apple is another hardware manufacturor that is going to be bound to AT&T for a lot longer than 6 months on any iPhone product since it needed a provider to be flexable enough to allow for such a product to be used in their network and they had to lock themselves in because of the felxability offered. Sad

Again time will tell.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xenophon wrote:
Fair enough, it is a rumor. But media creates hype and media kills hype, typically on perception. The iPhone hype appears to be over.


I greatly doubt the iPhone hype is far from over. If it was, we both would not be hearing much about the product anymore, be it positive or negative.




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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

macinfosys wrote:
jackrodgers wrote:
Anyway, I wonder if Apple can deliver a second device different enough from the iPhone so that it could join hands with Sprint and Verizon. Hope AT&T wasn't that constricting in their contract.



I would hope this would be possible since I think ANY phone being available on multiple networks would allow consumers to make their purchasing decisions on the hardware and features of the phone and not be bound by the carrier itself.

I have always hated seeing certain phones to come out first on one provider and not the other and by the time the other provider gets the phone(6 months later) if at all, the newest and greatest is already old technology.

I know this is how the providers play the game and lock in clients and unfortunatly we are left to play with their rules with no real open options other than getting hit with early terminations etc.

Apple is another hardware manufacturor that is going to be bound to AT&T for a lot longer than 6 months on any iPhone product since it needed a provider to be flexable enough to allow for such a product to be used in their network and they had to lock themselves in because of the felxability offered. Sad

Again time will tell.


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Remember Apple went to Verizon FIRST. Vzw turned them down. Wonder why? I read that it was due to the ultimate and total control Apple required. Anyway, I'm curious as to what "flexibility" you might be referring to? AT&T being flexible enough to allow Apple to do whatever they want hardware and content wise? Just curious.

I think AT&T needed the iPhone more than the CDMA carriers. Before the iPhone anyone know of anybody rushing to buy Edge/HSPA/UMTS products? Sure they're a huge voice carrier but I got to believe with the speeds of EVDO the CDMA carriers were leaving big blue in the dust!!

Now, if AT&T actually amps up the potential of their data services (they're a long way away as compared to the CDMA/EVDO footprints) then they'll have something with the iPhone. Until then, I can't imagine anyone serious about wireless data tx speeds choosing such a slower network. It's the glitz and glamor of the latest greatest and very much COOLEST device and that is dying away and will continue to do so.

Just my 2ยข worth.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looked at carefully the iPhone is a multi-personality device:

A) Works as a cell phone just as quickly as any other telco.

B) Works as a cell phone connecting to the internet slower than other telcos.

C) Connects to the internet via wifi without need of the cell phone connection which isn't done by many cellphones, say two or three, at this time.

D) Connects to your local network or computers via wifi. See C.

E) Other stuff of which I am unaware.

F) Runs Mac OS X. No other phone does that.

Anyone who uses a Mac knows how easy connectivity is to PC networks, etc.

Since recent news shows the government becoming more and more interested in open networks, portability and such, in a few years the world around us might be different with the telcos being required to accept any phone that works and is certified OK and to easily transfer phone numbers, etc. Remember what greate leaps phone systems took when the big bells were broken up (and have since gobbled up the little ones)? Or perhaps better, free roaming.

I think Congress is even looking at these forced 2 year contracts. We may see lower connection prices but bring your own device.

Oh, as soon as the sales dry up for the iPhone because of using AT&T, Apple will force a change.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xenophon wrote:
But they are becoming a proprietary company that steers users to Apple-sponsored content, which I don't think they can do successfully for much longer.


Apple is a hardware company that makes its own operating system that is available to other software companies to create whatever software they want. Some of the best and most popular software today in use on PCs was first created and sold on the Macintosh platform but then migrated to the PC because of the larger user base.

Apple is not becoming proprietary and in fact has shed much of its own hardware such as printers, modems in favor of compatibility with PC hardware. Most such hardware is plug and play after you install the drivers.

Apple's OS X is based on UNIX and uses various open source software such as Apache and brands I have not followed. Far from being proprietary, Apple is quite open source and roll your own.

Apple does control its operating system and will not allow it to be used on other hardware which is fine since Apple makes the most reliable computers and backs them with the best service and repair should they need it. There are no wierd brand computers running the Apple OS with low quality parts and massive incompatibilities.

Because Apple controls the hardware and the OS, things work.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:13 am    Post subject: iPhone reflections Reply with quote

The advantage of iPhone for we who have EVDO will become clear in about 18 months when manufacturers move in with copycat devices. Quite often apple gets beat at its own game by clones.

The fact is, the ipod is not necessarily the best mp3 player out there, and the Mac is what spurred Microsoft to finally move Windows into the 21st century.

Often the fallout from apple is more useful than Apple products themselves.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By now most people should be aware of the new iPod Touch: Looks like and iPhone but isn't. An iPod with all of the iPhone stuff except cellular. And a lot less expensive.

Maybe Apple can get around the Cingular problem with an iPhone EVDO?

And as far as Apple's demands, don't forget the anarchy that reigns in the Windows world vs. the stability, of sorts, and plug and play that Apple maintains. We'll downplay for the moment those trying times...
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