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k4wtf
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 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject: Novatel V620 external antenna port |
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Can someone, ANYONE tell me the type of RF connector required to connect to the v620 external antenna port (side)? I have searched and searched and can not find that information.
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Michael
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The Novatel V620 does not use any standard connector, it is proprietary, HOWEVER, it is readily available (we have tons of those cables).
There have been other cables that also work, but the ones designed specifically for the V620 work the best.
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k4wtf
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OK. Does your cable have the connector for the v620 on one end and an N-Female panel mount connector on the other end?
If not, what is the connector on the v620 side called? If there are antennas made to connect to the v620, the connector has to be called SOMETHING.
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MaximumSignal
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| k4wtf wrote: | OK. Does your cable have the connector for the v620 on one end and an N-Female panel mount connector on the other end?
If not, what is the connector on the v620 side called? If there are antennas made to connect to the v620, the connector has to be called SOMETHING.
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The connector has no name . Every cable manufacturer assigns a different name to it . Inteligain calls it an IAC001. Wilson calls it 359909 . This same port is common to most current Motorola , LG , Samsung and Audiovox handsets .
You are looking for a name that does not exist and also no cable manufacturer makes this adapter with an N connecter . Your best bet is to buy a current cable available and convert it to the end you are looking for with an adapter . WWW.EUR-AM.COM as a number of different adapters . You might also want to check a website for a company called Hawkes International, they sell all sorts adapters and converters |
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k4wtf
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So, tell me... This connector that doesn't have a name - how do the cable manufacturs order it so they have stock to make their cables? Huh?
Do they all manufacture the connector as well, all calling it something different? SURE THEY DO.
Don't worry. I'll find the spec for the cable. I actually thought that the people who claim to know so much would be able to provide such a simple answer - I was wrong.
Oh, and just because YOU don't know of a manufacturer who provides cables with N connectors on it does NOT mean they don't exist. You've OBVIOUSLY never been out to http://www.fab-corp.com/ if you make such an obviously false statement.
For someone who calls themself "MaximumSignal", you certainly don't seem to know much about RF. Adapters, I don't care how good they are, are going to reduce signal, increase the overall SWR and basically cause the signal going through the entire aparatus to be LESS.
Adapters my butt. Why do you think I'm attempting to locate a cable with the appropriate ends on it in the first place? |
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Michael
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k4wtf / John,
Please refrain from rudeness/insults/etc., they are not tolerated (or needed) here. We share information, help one another, etc. When you do find the name of the connector, post it here.
If you have a problem/issue/concern with someone posting here, please contact them privately. If there is a general concern, please contact me privately.
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MaximumSignal
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| k4wtf wrote: | So, tell me... This connector that doesn't have a name - how do the cable manufacturs order it so they have stock to make their cables? Huh?
Do they all manufacture the connector as well, all calling it something different? SURE THEY DO.
Don't worry. I'll find the spec for the cable. I actually thought that the people who claim to know so much would be able to provide such a simple answer - I was wrong.
Oh, and just because YOU don't know of a manufacturer who provides cables with N connectors on it does NOT mean they don't exist. You've OBVIOUSLY never been out to http://www.fab-corp.com/ if you make such an obviously false statement.
For someone who calls themself "MaximumSignal", you certainly don't seem to know much about RF. Adapters, I don't care how good they are, are going to reduce signal, increase the overall SWR and basically cause the signal going through the entire aparatus to be LESS.
Adapters my butt. Why do you think I'm attempting to locate a cable with the appropriate ends on it in the first place? |
Listen you nasty little man , I try to help you and all you do is belittle me , Go take a flying leap . I do know my stuff and tried to pass knowledge on to you and offer you a solution to your search . The cable manufacturer in Taiwain makes the cables by the name of the device it is being connected to. We do the research here and compare RF out ports as they are released on the market to find common RF out ports to keep the number of SKU's down. If the cable manufacturer had thier way we would have a different SKU for every device even if they have common ports. I am certainly not at liberty to give you Inteligain's manufacturer . But I can tell you that the only way they manufacturer the cables is with FME or TNC ends .
The only solution I can offer you is to try www.antennaworld.com , they do custom manufacture cables here in North America.
And by the way do us all a favor and drop your tone around here . This is a place where we come and try to share information and help each other and don't belittle people that don't give us the info we want
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boater805
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| Michael wrote: | The Novatel V620 does not use any standard connector, it is proprietary, HOWEVER, it is readily available (we have tons of those cables).
There have been other cables that also work, but the ones designed specifically for the V620 work the best. |
Michael, you have a wonderful site here and I'm a daily reader and sometime poster. However this post borders on something Robert Kim would do (This is not fired as a cheapshot at you but as a warning to read what you type and be careful). You just told someone that its a non standard proprietary connector. Now, using the English language definitions of those words it means that the connector is made by a single company for a dedicated use in a single product or single line of products and is not available to 3rd parties. Your next sentance goes on to say that you have tons of cables with suitable connectors available. NOW, either you contracted with someone to custom manufacter a duplicate to the "proprietary" connector or you were able to identify a source for that connector that sells it to other than the OEM manufacturer of the V620 (in which case it is NOT proprietary but rather a public standard). If you did indeed buy the connectors from a source other than the OEM that makes the V620 and if you wish to maintain your competitive advantage of knowing the type and source for the connector to build the cables then you should just say so or just say you have adapters available without making the claims of "non standard" and "proprietary".
Keep up your fine work and avoid slipping into misleading statements even inadvertantly.
Thanks again for your fine site.
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Michael
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Maybe I wasn't clear.
The Novatel V620 is not using a MC Card or MMXC or U.FL or other "standard connectors", so it is proprietary. However, there are other companies that sell cables for the Novatel V620. We buy our cables from these companies. There are other adapters that are close to fitting and appear to work (and others have documented these up on EVDOforums).
So, it is not misleading to say the connector that is in the Novatel V620 is proprietary, it is. This means, that other standard connectors do not work with the Novatel V620. BTW, the Kyocera KPC650 is exactly the same way and unfortunately, there is a huge backorder situation, and you cannot find these cables anywhere.
Does that make it clearer?
Also, you can accuse me of anything you desire, but PLEASE don't ever put me in the same boat as Robert Kim. The original poster, wasn't looking for cables, he was looking for the connector. When I said, that "We have tons available", it wasn't to make the point that you should buy them from me, it was to make the point, that they are readily available and that should mean the connectors are available too.
So, I hope that clears things up.
Lets keep this thread on topic. If someone finds the name of the connector that the Novatel V620 (or S620) uses, please post the name to this thread.
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MaximumSignal
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| boater805 wrote: | | Michael wrote: | The Novatel V620 does not use any standard connector, it is proprietary, HOWEVER, it is readily available (we have tons of those cables).
There have been other cables that also work, but the ones designed specifically for the V620 work the best. |
Michael, you have a wonderful site here and I'm a daily reader and sometime poster. However this post borders on something Robert Kim would do (This is not fired as a cheapshot at you but as a warning to read what you type and be careful). You just told someone that its a non standard proprietary connector. Now, using the English language definitions of those words it means that the connector is made by a single company for a dedicated use in a single product or single line of products and is not available to 3rd parties. Your next sentance goes on to say that you have tons of cables with suitable connectors available. NOW, either you contracted with someone to custom manufacter a duplicate to the "proprietary" connector or you were able to identify a source for that connector that sells it to other than the OEM manufacturer of the V620 (in which case it is NOT proprietary but rather a public standard). If you did indeed buy the connectors from a source other than the OEM that makes the V620 and if you wish to maintain your competitive advantage of knowing the type and source for the connector to build the cables then you should just say so or just say you have adapters available without making the claims of "non standard" and "proprietary".
Keep up your fine work and avoid slipping into misleading statements even inadvertantly.
Thanks again for your fine site. |
You should follow the thread more closely . This gentleman came in asking for help on an issue . He was really asking us to source a product for him and do his work for him . We tried to assist him and then when he did not get what he thought was a correct answer when we really did give him the correct answer he decided to ridicule and belittle us . Hardly what this site that Michael has been so kind to set up for us is all about . No one was trying to sell him anything . He even came to my site asking the same questions. This Gentleman was totally out of line and Michael and myself tried to take the high road. |
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trandall
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Michael and M/S,
Thanks guys for your efforts to "enlighten" those of us that are venturing into this wonderful technology. I for one have found a lot of valuable information and "product" from this site.
Michael, I am utilizing your booster antenna on my V620 and it has proved very, very worthwhile.
I will post som photos soon of some of the locations I am using my Card and EVDO service: IE on my Motor Yacht, cruising in Puget Sound!!!
Keep up the good work and let "capitalism and Free Enterprise ring"
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boater805
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| MaximumSignal wrote: |
You should follow the thread more closely . This gentleman came in asking for help on an issue . He was really asking us to source a product for him and do his work for him . We tried to assist him and then when he did not get what he thought was a correct answer when we really did give him the correct answer he decided to ridicule and belittle us . Hardly what this site that Michael has been so kind to set up for us is all about . No one was trying to sell him anything . He even came to my site asking the same questions. This Gentleman was totally out of line and Michael and myself tried to take the high road. |
I did read carefully and I did try to make it clear I was offering a friendly observation as a supporter of Michael and this excellent site. I just wanted to give an outsiders view of the tone the comments were beginning to take. Michael is certainly no Robert Kim and I don't think ever could be. He startedx this site solely as a public service and any business development its led to for him was serendipitous and well deserved. It was obvious from the thread that there ARE sources available for the connectors and that some here (including michael) know of sources for them. Therefore it makes no sense to post indicating that the connectors are not available. Indeed both you and Michael did offer useful advice that the user could have used as a starting point for his own further searches if didn't want to buy from Michael for some reason (though why go to the effort to shop it out when Michael has already done the work for him and offers a solution at a fair price I can't imagine).
Anyhow, kudos to Michael and the site again. Don't be shy about stating that you offer solutions to a user query for a specified price or that they can take the time and effort to do the research and testing as you did to reinvent the wheel themselves. Just try to be clear is all I'm saying.
I don't have a dog in this fight, so whether you agree with my views or not it still would be wise for any vendor to understand the thoughts of a 3rd party so they know how others may percieve them rightly or wrongly.
Betamax, Apple's Lisa and Flarion may all be technical superior choices for technoloogies ... but the public's perception is still what creates winners and losers. Ignore us public folks at your own economic peril. Being right is nice. Being successful is the goal of a business.
Again, sorry to babble overlong here. The end from me 
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k4wtf
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You should follow the thread more closely . This gentleman came in asking for help on an issue . He was really asking us to source a product for him and do his work for him .
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Excuse me? I simply asked for the name of the connector. I did not ask for a source for purchasing the connector. I simply wanted to know what it is OFFICIALLY called which nobody seems to know.
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We tried to assist him and then when he did not get what he thought was a correct answer when we really did give him the correct answer he decided to ridicule and belittle us . Hardly what this site that Michael has been so kind to set up for us is all about . No one was trying to sell him anything . He even came to my site asking the same questions. This Gentleman was totally out of line and Michael and myself tried to take the high road. |
I came to your site asking if you could sell me the exact pigtail I was in search of or could identify the CONNECTOR on the v620 end of the cable. You could do neither. You went further to say that the connector did not have a name which is absolutely incorrect. You go on to say "You are looking for a name that does not exist and also no cable manufacturer makes this adapter with an N connecter"... How do you know this? Because you don't know of a manufacturer that makes one? How COULD you know when you don't even know the name of the connector on the phone side?
Michael claims that the connector is proprietary which is also inaccurate. Proprietary would indicate that it was used soley on the 620 or Novatel phones. In fact, it is used by many manufacturers according to other posts on this site.
Now you claim that I was asking you to "source a product." No. I was asking you if you knew the name of the connector. When you said you had cables, I asked if they met my needs.
As for taking the "high road" I would not call calling me a "Nasty little man" is taking the high road. I find it rather humorous that Michael scolds me for "rudeness/insults/etc" but is the actual person who started this thread: http://evdoforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=474
The things said about Robert Kim in that thread might very well be true. The thread is still rude and insulting to Mr. Kim.
Oh well. You are a capitolist and I am an engineer. You want to keep your "source" a secret and I simply want to find the name of a connector. I guess that makes me a bad guy or a "Nasty little man"... So be it. |
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MaximumSignal
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| k4wtf wrote: | | MaximumSignal wrote: |
You should follow the thread more closely . This gentleman came in asking for help on an issue . He was really asking us to source a product for him and do his work for him .
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Excuse me? I simply asked for the name of the connector. I did not ask for a source for purchasing the connector. I simply wanted to know what it is OFFICIALLY called which nobody seems to know.
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We tried to assist him and then when he did not get what he thought was a correct answer when we really did give him the correct answer he decided to ridicule and belittle us . Hardly what this site that Michael has been so kind to set up for us is all about . No one was trying to sell him anything . He even came to my site asking the same questions. This Gentleman was totally out of line and Michael and myself tried to take the high road. |
I came to your site asking if you could sell me the exact pigtail I was in search of or could identify the CONNECTOR on the v620 end of the cable. You could do neither. You went further to say that the connector did not have a name which is absolutely incorrect. You go on to say "You are looking for a name that does not exist and also no cable manufacturer makes this adapter with an N connecter"... How do you know this? Because you don't know of a manufacturer that makes one? How COULD you know when you don't even know the name of the connector on the phone side?
Michael claims that the connector is proprietary which is also inaccurate. Proprietary would indicate that it was used soley on the 620 or Novatel phones. In fact, it is used by many manufacturers according to other posts on this site.
Now you claim that I was asking you to "source a product." No. I was asking you if you knew the name of the connector. When you said you had cables, I asked if they met my needs.
As for taking the "high road" I would not call calling me a "Nasty little man" is taking the high road. I find it rather humorous that Michael scolds me for "rudeness/insults/etc" but is the actual person who started this thread: http://evdoforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=474
The things said about Robert Kim in that thread might very well be true. The thread is still rude and insulting to Mr. Kim.
Oh well. You are a capitolist and I am an engineer. You want to keep your "source" a secret and I simply want to find the name of a connector. I guess that makes me a bad guy or a "Nasty little man"... So be it. |
And as I told you before the cable manufactyrers name the items by the device they work with. Then the resellers ( Larsen , Wilson , Inteligan , Digital Antenna) assign a product number to them. The RF connecters on handsets are referred to by the manufacturers by the devices they work with . You seem to want something else that does not exist . We did take the high road and offered you assistance and your reply was not only rude and but uncalled for . Michael and myself did take the high road and tried to offer you any knowledge we had.Good luck to you in changing the RF connecter manufacturing sector in how they name products as they don't seem to be doing things as you in all your vast knowledge think they should .
I am very sorry I called you a nasty little man but like most people I do not appreciate being attacked and being told I no nothing about my field.
As stated before the members here share info and support each other. We do not attack each other as you came in on your first day and did. If you are so supportive of Mr Kim , I suggest you frequent his informational forums in the future and get your info there as it is eveident you feel we have nothing to offer you |
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