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World of Warcraft and Sprint USB U720 Latency / packet loss

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bbourdet
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feight,

Is can you explain to me what you did to get this to work with pingfu? I am trying and cannot get it to work.

Thanks.
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feight
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Sprint and Wow Reply with quote

first off, make sure you have the right tunneling program downloaded from www.artofping.com, it has the settings for WoW built right into it. If you need a winsocks utility it will tell you and provide a link for you to download that as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any problems with it connecting to the server when you use it? Mine keeps saying trying to authenticate.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:53 am    Post subject: Authentication Reply with quote

the authentication from within ping fu or in WoW. I never had any trouble after purchasing the program. Perhaps disable your firewalls? Follow Ping-Fu's instructions and that's really all you have to do.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I just needed to turn off my firewall, and restart. Now it works fine. I am able to stay between 300-450 latency at all times now, which is great! However I just wonder how much data it is using, as I have verizon, and I do not want to be cancelled.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:59 am    Post subject: Yay! Reply with quote

yay! glad to hear it. these games can add up to your total usage very quickly if you play alot.. but typically they don't use all that much. If Verizon gives you a website to check your usage.. i'd keep a watch on it. Keep in mind that Sprint is unlimited use when your contract is up.. if you signed one.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WoW alone won't use a lot. I play 1-2 hours most nights, with the 4+ hour binges on the weekends. Wink That plus any websurfing I and my wife do usually adds up to about 1GB for a month. The most I've seen is 2GB. I believe Verizon's limit is 5GB; so not an issue.
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Curth79
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:17 am    Post subject: Alltel Too! Reply with quote

I have this same exact problem with alltel as well.

My question is this, I just setup a VPN connection back to my office here, which works fine.

Connecting to Alltel, then connecting to my VPN, will all traffic then be routed through my VPN connection, therefore bypassing all of these problems?

Or do I need to search for a portforwarding/tunneling software like everyone is referring to?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: You should be fine Reply with quote

a vpn should bypass all your trouble, unless your isp at your office does some sort of traffic shaping as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: You should be fine Reply with quote

feight wrote:
a vpn should bypass all your trouble, unless your isp at your office does some sort of traffic shaping as well.


It doesn't, but now... I keep getitng a TCP error when trying to connect.. Error number 733...

I can connect through my other connection (Wildblue)...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: wildblue... hmmmm.. Reply with quote

Wildblue and gaming simply doesn't work too well. the latency is simply too high for most games. I too signed up for wild blue for a short amount of time, but found it useless for both work and play. Not to mention the 17 gig a month limit.

The wireless cell phone cards are simply a cut above the satellite internet systems (and cheaper). I tried everything I could to make wildblue a viable solution for me, but I failed.

I even purchased a home satellite aiming system, which worked.. but did nothing for my connection speed.

The largest problem I had was packet loss, even with a perfect signal. I believe when you experience a few seconds of packet loss, the gaming servers assume you have disconnected and you lose your session.

If you would like to test if you have the same problem, do this. Connect your vpn to your office and then ping your office server/computer by IP address. (ping 192.168.0.1 -t) the -t will make it a constant ping. Adjust your ip address to whatever your office is and wait. I imagine you'll soon see request timed out.

I found no way to fix this, but I do remember using a tunneling program on this system which helped slightly (but not to a degree that was acceptable).

Best of luck
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: oh yeah! Reply with quote

For the wireless card via vpn, (forgot you had that too, sorry). Getting wow to work over a vpn might be more complicated than just downloading a tunneling software.

You'll have to deal with port forwarding from your office firewall to your vpn ip address. Also, VPN encryption might add to your latency (not sure on that, just heard it does)

I would just download a tunneling program on trial access and see if it fixes it first.

But the harder route via vpn is fun to try as well! Google "vpn firewall ports for WoW" and you'll get the numbers you need to forward.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: oh yeah! Reply with quote

feight wrote:
For the wireless card via vpn, (forgot you had that too, sorry). Getting wow to work over a vpn might be more complicated than just downloading a tunneling software.

You'll have to deal with port forwarding from your office firewall to your vpn ip address. Also, VPN encryption might add to your latency (not sure on that, just heard it does)

I would just download a tunneling program on trial access and see if it fixes it first.

But the harder route via vpn is fun to try as well! Google "vpn firewall ports for WoW" and you'll get the numbers you need to forward.


Here's my current situation, and I got past the 733 error and connected just fine.

I setup VPN @ work on a machine thats OUTSIDE of the network, it has a public IP so it bypasses the firewall here @ work completely, I also have t he software firewall disabled.

I have a mod installed in wow, titan bar, one benefit is a more advanced view of preformance. Well, I'm @ my office now w/ the same laptop I use @ home, I am connected via 5x T1 Lines, my bandwidth in and out in the game is : 0.512 Kb/s, 0.012 Kb/s

That's fine, I know wow doesn't use much bandwidth at all, but @ home my bandwidth in and out is: 1.800 Kb/s, 0.502 Kb/s

It's substantionally higher, why? It's the same laptop, I'm in the same zone, with the same character.

I only have 1xRTT @ home, so my speeds usually hang around 15kbps, which is still 3-4 times that of dialup, so I don't feel that it's just not fast enough to handle it.

After testing it last night, through my VPN (I'm using Window's built in client/server) my latency still hung around 900ms - 1200ms, that's just horrid. I can ping test (-t) and let it run, lowest ping is 250ms, highest is 800ms, average is around 320ms. NO packet lost at all.

So what is going on?

I should have PLENTY of bandwidth to play WoW or any other MMO, my latency is around 300ms on the average, that should be fine.

So why is it that I still get up in the 1000ms when I try to play?

I wish someone could help me. If it's my VPN's encryption, can I disable that all together?

Help please!

**EDIT** oh and btw, I did try Star Wars Galaxies on it a while back, and I would hang around 300ms latency the entire time. Even during large pvp fights w/ 20-30 toons on the screen I would still stick with 300ms.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: so no evdo Reply with quote

let me get this straight.. no EVDO at home just 1x only, wildblue as an alternate. VPN to a public ip machine.

Hmm... well i've tested my gameplay with 1xrtt and I couldn't move around.. my ping times hovered around 700-1000 on average with spikes to 5000.

You sound like me, 15 different internet connections and none of em work for what you want em for. The only option I see you having left is to try a tunneling program like Ping-Fu. It has a 2 day free trial I think, or it did just to test things out.

Your problem exists between you and the cell phone tower, then from the cell phone tower through their equipment, firewalls, etc. Your vpn still has to travel through all that, so no benefit connecting to all those T1s.

It would be nice if you could benefit from all those T1s, but impossible if your home connection is slow. Is there no option to upgrade from 1xrtt? Work really far away? i've a friend or two that have connected radio devices to their offices from home with amazing results (up to 15 miles) but those are pricey and require line of sight ($300-1000).

I think i'm out of options here. I can only suggest ping-fu at this point, and hope they bring EVDO to your area.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:41 am    Post subject: oh.. another thought Reply with quote

Just thought i'd add a quick thought. Wireless connections show wonderful ping times, if there is no data traveling. When your are downloading, streaming data (that's when they fall to pieces).

I found my connection strength made a huge difference here. Try sitting your wireless adapter on a window or at least in the air a little. Just a thought, made a difference for me anyway.

Can always test this, start a download and then start pinging something
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