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jackrodgers
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Basic rule, especially for portables, for lithium batteries: when near an AC outlet, plug in and run off of ac while your battery charges.
Second rule: once a month run the battery to exhaustion and then recharge. |
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Feefer
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Hi guys,
Thanks for the reminder: it's hard to break years of habits based on using Ni-metal hydride batteries!
FWIW, I've been posting via my iPhone, currently using VZW EVDO from the KR1. I thought EDGE was going to be a hassle, but it actually works fine, even for streaming music as MP3s. I'd love to have support for streaming media (Flash plug-in) though, as well as the ability to disable EDGE to use only wi-fi (i.e. to prevent interference and static with other sensitive devices in my area; the iPhone plays havok with my EyeTV Hybrid's reception of digital T.V. signals, whenever it attempts to check for e-mail, etc.)
I know you can stick a generic AT&T SIM in the iPhone to get all the non-phone features working, but constantly swapping SIMs is not an elegant solution. |
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Bigdave
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| jackrodgers wrote: | Basic rule, especially for portables, for lithium batteries: when near an AC outlet, plug in and run off of ac while your battery charges.
Second rule: once a month run the battery to exhaustion and then recharge. |
Good advice jack. However the reason for discharging about once a month really doesn't appear to be for the battery itself but instead for the battery meter in the device to remain properly calibrated. According to www.batterunicersity.com :
| Quote: | A lithium-ion battery provides 300-500 discharge/charge cycles. The battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge. Frequent full discharges should be avoided when possible. Instead, charge the battery more often or use a larger battery. There is no concern of memory when applying unscheduled charges.
Although lithium-ion is memory-free in terms of performance deterioration, batteries with fuel gauges exhibit what engineers refer to as "digital memory". Here is the reason: Short discharges with subsequent recharges do not provide the periodic calibration needed to synchronize the fuel gauge with the battery's state-of-charge. A deliberate full discharge and recharge every 30 charges corrects this problem. Letting the battery run down to the cut-off point in the equipment will do this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate. (Read more in 'Choosing the right battery for portable computing', Part Two.) |
So many folks are still under the mistaken idea that you should discharge new batteries several times to condition them. With lithium-lon that appears to be the sure way to shorten the lifespan of a battery instead of the other way around.
FWIW more info can be found here. |
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macinfosys
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boycott-walmart
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The iPhone is a mediocre PDA/Smartphone.
Yes, it has some new, innovative features but then so do many South Korean, Japanese and Nokia PDA/Smartphones and I don't see them receiving the same kind of hoopla as the iPhone.
The iPhone costs $499 to $599 on Apple's website (this doesn't include tax, of course) so if a person were unhappy with the iPhone and returned it they would lose at least $50 for the 10% "restocking fee."
Apple has been presenting the iPhone as a quantum jump in PDA/Smartphones, cynically taking advantage of the general public's respect for Apple and its co-founder, Steve Jobs, when the iPhone is no more a quantum jump in PDA/Smartphones than many Asian products. So, if a person buys the iPhone based on Apple's representations and then finds it doesn't live up to their expectations, that person will find themselves out of $50 or more for their mistake.
macinfosys: If I had known about Duke's exculpation of the iPhone, I wouldn't have posted the story. |
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jackrodgers
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All this ranting about a $50 restocking fee and yet no offer of the name of one person who has returned the iPhone for a refund...
Why not try to find something productive to do rather than waste your time attacking successful businesses in online forums over products you know little about and have no hands on experience with?
Why not serve the public by discussing AT&T's hard wired 2 year contract for the phone service when AT&T does not subsidize the purchase of the phone (which really means they just loan the money to buy a phone and then raise their rates to cover the cost.)
A really good topic would be reporters who blindly repeat a story and pad it with their prejudices without checking the facts or offering up, as I mentioned, the possibility of the problem NOT being Apple's. |
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macinfosys
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| boycott-walmart wrote: | The iPhone is a mediocre PDA/Smartphone.
Yes, it has some new, innovative features but then so do many South Korean, Japanese and Nokia PDA/Smartphones and I don't see them receiving the same kind of hoopla as the iPhone.
The iPhone costs $499 to $599 on Apple's website (this doesn't include tax, of course) so if a person were unhappy with the iPhone and returned it they would lose at least $50 for the 10% "restocking fee."
Apple has been presenting the iPhone as a quantum jump in PDA/Smartphones, cynically taking advantage of the general public's respect for Apple and its co-founder, Steve Jobs, when the iPhone is no more a quantum jump in PDA/Smartphones than many Asian products. So, if a person buys the iPhone based on Apple's representations and then finds it doesn't live up to their expectations, that person will find themselves out of $50 or more for their mistake.
macinfosys: If I had known about Duke's exculpation of the iPhone, I wouldn't have posted the story. |
I was just getting ready to start typing on some points for the positives and NEAGATIVES of this phone and I ran across this article and I think it covers it pretty well. Especially the ending....
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201200060&pgno=1&queryText=
I'm glad to see someone stating the shortcomings (and there are even additional little issues that were not stated but like any other software releases those issues will be solved or enhanced.) And unlike ALL other cell phones that the carriers own and rarely update, the iPhone is going to see a slew of updates and enhancements like a typical OS would get.
We support both platforms and I am a true bliever that there are advantages and needs to both sides but seeing what this phone does currently and has the potential to do, I believe that is has the ability to replace a lot of the current smartphone solutions out there for the simple fact that it just works and for me and a lot of our clients time IS money.......
http://www.macinfosys.com |
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boycott-walmart
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For the record, here is the biography of John C. Welch from the Macworld Conference & Expo website ( http://tinyurl.com/3y48dt ):
John C. Welch
Unix/ Open Systems Administrator, Kansas City Life Insurance.
John C. Welch is a Unix/Open Systems Administrator for Kansas City Life Insurance, a columnist for Datamation.com, and a contributor to InformationWeek, Your Mac Life, and MacJournals.com. John has been a regular speaker at MacWorld Expo since 1999. He has been dealing with all things Macintosh since the Lisa....
The bio states Mr. Welch has been involved with Apple products since the Lisa or for more than 20 years -- a very long time. |
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Feefer
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| boycott-walmart wrote: | | The iPhone is a mediocre PDA/Smartphone. |
With all due respect, I say "blah, blah, blah". You don't get it, as you lack the big-picture perspective.
If you look at a laundry list of features offered, the iPhone might be bested by other phones on technical merits, alone. However, it's best to look at HOW WELL the device works, i.e. how it acomplishes what it sets out to do. In that regard, the iPhone beats the others, up and down the street. Realize this is a version 1.0 device: it'll get better as it's improved.
The other thing that you've completely missed (and once again, someone who isn't running Apple OS X wouldn't realize this, as they lack the first-hand experience) is that the iPhone is unique, primarily because it is TIGHTLY INTEGRATED into Mac OS X as an extension of the OS (and with programs like iTunes). When 10.5 is released in October, I think some might start to get the idea even more.... Hence the iPhone is supported as part of a total Apple OS X computer-based system, and that's critical.
Show me any phone with such tight integration on ANY platform, supported as part of the native code. That's important to me, as we've all used 3rd party software that was broken by an OS update, had to hassle with compatibility issues, etc. Now when OS X is updated, I'll be sure it's designed with my iPhone as PART of the update, and not ignored or overlooked. That's HUGE for me.
Once again, the benefit Apple has is they build the hardware AND write the software: that reduces the possibility of compatibility problems. |
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macinfosys
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| boycott-walmart wrote: | For the record, here is the biography of John C. Welch from the Macworld Conference & Expo website ( http://tinyurl.com/3y48dt ):
John C. Welch
Unix/ Open Systems Administrator, Kansas City Life Insurance.
John C. Welch is a Unix/Open Systems Administrator for Kansas City Life Insurance, a columnist for Datamation.com, and a contributor to InformationWeek, Your Mac Life, and MacJournals.com. John has been a regular speaker at MacWorld Expo since 1999. He has been dealing with all things Macintosh since the Lisa....
The bio states Mr. Welch has been involved with Apple products since the Lisa or for more than 20 years -- a very long time. |
Him being a Mac technology contributor should not mean anything. What I am trying to show is that here is someone that has used other smartphone devices including the Windows mobile deivces for a very long time and has given some very informative comparrisons between the two and the reasons behind them. I am not going to sit here and say that if you are a Microsoft Windows user that you are less of a person than someone using an Apple Mac OS X system. I would not have a succesful multi platoform consulting firm if that was my mind set. I am just trying to show the valid reasons both positive and negative for the iPhone (and I know there are many more) and why price is not the holy grail when it comes down to productivity and stability.
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boycott-walmart
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This is how Mr. Welch began his review:
Having owned my iPhone since about 20 minutes after they went on sale June 29, I'm comfortable in saying that, while the iPhone isn't perfect, and has some real flaws, it's nevertheless the best-designed, most pleasurable to use device I've ever owned.
That's quite a statement -- it's hard to think of a more unconditional endorsement of the iPhone than Mr. Welch's.
Mr. Welch goes on:
Keep in mind that I'm no newbie, having used smartphones since 2001. Along the way, I've owned a Sprint Kyocera 6035 smartphone, an Audiovox PPC-6601 Pocket PC phone, also from Sprint; and two Verizon XV-6700 smartphones. I also support four models of Palm Treo, the aforementioned 6700, and the Motorola Q Windows Mobile 5.0 smartphone, all in an Exchange/GoodLink environment. So I'm hardly new to the joys of either smartphones or corporate uses thereof.
Here Mr. Welch presents himself as a completely unbiased, technology agnostic reviewer whose sole and only interest is in using the best device available. He makes no mention of his preference for Apple products in the past, his active involvement with two Apple-oriented publications and his being a regular speaker at the MacWorld Expo. Gee, I guess it just slipped his mind to disclose this information. Needless to say, Mr. Welch's past and his lack of disclosure devalue the worth of his review.
If Apple wants to show it is committed to its customers, Apple needs to eliminate the "restocking fee." There is no way Apple can legitimately promote and advertise itself as offering a superior product as long as the "restocking fee" exists. Period. |
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macinfosys
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| boycott-walmart wrote: | This is how Mr. Welch began his review:
Having owned my iPhone since about 20 minutes after they went on sale June 29, I'm comfortable in saying that, while the iPhone isn't perfect, and has some real flaws, it's nevertheless the best-designed, most pleasurable to use device I've ever owned.
That's quite a statement -- it's hard to think of a more unconditional endorsement of the iPhone than Mr. Welch's.
Mr. Welch goes on:
Keep in mind that I'm no newbie, having used smartphones since 2001. Along the way, I've owned a Sprint Kyocera 6035 smartphone, an Audiovox PPC-6601 Pocket PC phone, also from Sprint; and two Verizon XV-6700 smartphones. I also support four models of Palm Treo, the aforementioned 6700, and the Motorola Q Windows Mobile 5.0 smartphone, all in an Exchange/GoodLink environment. So I'm hardly new to the joys of either smartphones or corporate uses thereof.
Here Mr. Welch presents himself as a completely unbiased, technology agnostic reviewer whose sole and only interest is in using the best device available. He makes no mention of his preference for Apple products in the past, his active involvement with two Apple-oriented publications and his being a regular speaker at the MacWorld Expo. Gee, I guess it just slipped his mind to disclose this information. Needless to say, Mr. Welch's past and his lack of disclosure devalue the worth of his review.
If Apple wants to show it is committed to its customers, Apple needs to eliminate the "restocking fee." There is no way Apple can legitimately promote and advertise itself as offering a superior product as long as the "restocking fee" exists. Period. |
Well I would disagree with you on that point. Period.
As everyone is allowed to express their own opinions, I am just trying to shed some light on the current experiences from different sources and there are a lot of them and most of them are rather positive and that is usually very hard to accompolish for most new products especially being under the spotlight like the iPhone has been.
You as a consumer know already what features and options are and are not available on the iPhone TODAY. You can also go to any of the stores and use one for an extended period of time unlike a lot of other electronic devices out there that DO ALSO CHARGE you a restocking fee after you open them without the ability to actually use it prior to purchasing. Yes to truly experience this products potential, you do need to use it for a little longer than a few hours. BUT I have yet to meet a person that had tested the phone in the store knowing of it's current limitations and made their decision to purchase it because of what they experienced and still returned it. Don't get me wrong, I am sure people HAVE returned it for what ever reason and gotten stuck with the restocking fee but I have returned many products in my life time for the simple reason they were not up to the level I expected them to be since I had no way of being able to even test them prior to my purchase.
This phone is not for everyone and as it matures with additional capabilities that it is currently missing, it will be an even better product. I am also sure that we will see other manufacturers releasing better UI beacuse of the iPhone and I welcome that and I encourage it. I will still recommend the RIGHT product for the right user. that will include Windows mobile devices right along side the iPhone.
Like I said earlier, everyone is allowed to their opinions. I honor that, I just don't agree to your hard-lined feeling towards this particular restocking fee.
Take care.
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macinfosys
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| boycott-walmart wrote: | | Here Mr. Welch presents himself as a completely unbiased, technology agnostic reviewer whose sole and only interest is in using the best device available. He makes no mention of his preference for Apple products in the past, his active involvement with two Apple-oriented publications and his being a regular speaker at the MacWorld Expo. Gee, I guess it just slipped his mind to disclose this information. Needless to say, Mr. Welch's past and his lack of disclosure devalue the worth of his review. |
Ok, I was thinking about this and I really don't understand your mind set. So anyone that has used a Mac or is involved with the platform and does not state it in BOLD letters is basically not allowed to comment on technology of that platform without sounding one sided.
I personally do not know of too many worthwhile technology people left in the industry that have not worked on both platforms. I also feel that seeing someone that has actually had experience with products relating to the topic (SmartPhones) and especially since they were also Windows Mobile devices, it was good to hear someones experiences and comparisons.
I truly feel no matter what I try to throw your way of peoples experiences both positive or negative about the iPhone, you won't care and in your eyes your mind is already set.
I personally didn't think the iPhone would be that great of a product prior to it's release compared to my Windows Mobile device, and in some features that I had stated a while back, it still isn't (they are just not there). But comparing some of the core features that it does have to offer and the UI compared to my last phone, it beats it hands down and I was VERY surprised about that with a version 1.0 device!
Without actually experiencing one yourself you will never know what I am trying to say here.
Take care.
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boycott-walmart
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macinfosys:
Everyone makes their own decisions. If someone likes the iPhone and understands the return/refund policy of the place he's purchasing it from, more power to him.
The issue here is not the iPhone per se, but Apple's tactics in marketing and selling the iPhone.
As for "restocking fees", I would suggest they are simply an attempt by retailers to stay in business regardless if they sell what consumers want. Many consumers aren't even aware of "restocking fees" (I'm sure much to the disappointment of retailers). New York City has found many retailers taking advantage of unwary consumers with the use of "restocking fees."
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