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jackrodgers
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| deparson wrote: | Not saying you are wrong but 3 years would be the ENTIRE lifespan of the device or more.
I just don't see Apple locking into one carrier for that long.
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Wouldn't it be cool if Apple comes out with an iPhone PRO that does Rev A and much more? |
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boycott-walmart
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Feefer wrote:
FWIW, the wi-fi network for the Apple Store in San Luis Obispo was incredibly fast, with about 5 mbps on downloads, and 2.0 mbps on ups, with minimal latency. No doubt the store's wireless network is on a dedicated IDSN line, etc.
I agree. No doubt. |
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HillCountryHero
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I think that you have to put it into perspective. I own two Motorola Q's, and the iPhone. One Q is Sprint, and the other is Verizon. According to numbers, EVDO is much faster than EDGE, and it's easy to bash the iPhone.
I can tell you right now that when using the three devices, I prefer browsing on the iPhone. In the real world viewing of web pages, the iPhone is a much better experience, it's generally the same speed and the way Safari displays pages is amazing - puts WM browsers to shame.
So, on paper, yes, it's easy to bash the iPhone. Use both devices (EVDO vs. EDGE on iPhone) side by side and tell me what you'd rather carry. |
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boycott-walmart
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You're (probably intentionally) missing the point.
Apple's marketing of the iPhone borders on dishonest.
As for comparing the iPhone to other products, Gee, it would have been nice had Apple distributed the iPhone prior to launch to more than a handful of reviewers cozy with Steve Jobs. |
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macinfosys
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Feefer
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| boycott-walmart wrote: | Apple's marketing of the iPhone borders on dishonest.
As for comparing the iPhone to other products, Gee, it would have been nice had Apple distributed the iPhone prior to launch to more than a handful of reviewers cozy with Steve Jobs. |
Dishonest? I think those T.V. commercials are about as honest as you can get: it shows the phone in action, albeit under optimized conditions, e.g. at an Apple Store with a speedy connection. I dare say the ad clearly shows the wi-fi icon, though, so it's not exactly like they suggested it was EDGE. You can't expect Apple to do that, can you? I mean, it was a 30-second spot. 
As far as the lack of pre-release reviews, I don't get it: would that have meant you would've been standing in line on release day, if you HAD read a review by someone NOT cozy with Jobs? I mean, come on: you can walk into ANY Apple or AT&T store in the nation and play with it to your hearts content. If you get it home, and realize you don't have good coverage in your neighborhood (and it happens...), then you have 14 days to think about it. Seems pretty damn reasonable to me.
As far as the battery, all these Apple haters have gone off on a tangent about battery life. Just like many other electronic devices, the iPhone contains a Li-ion battery, and as brilliant as Apple is, they can't change the laws of physics that says that ALL batteries wear out eventually, and loose their charge-carrying capacity. For the record, Apple never said the battery would need to be REPLACED after 300-400 charge cycles, just that the battery would possess 80% of it's charge capacity at that time. That's a HUGE difference in meaning.
All meaningless banter, as far as I'm concerned: the iPhone is an incredible device that allows true mobile internet access (and not some watered-down version of the internet, ALA Windows Mobile). It's a tightly-designed unit that does something that I've always wanted, namely, tight integration of contacts, bookmarks, e-mail, music/video, etc. with all the native Mac OS X apps. For anyone who's struggled with cell phones that don't play nice with Macs, that's a HUGE factor, worth the cost of admission on those grounds alone. Frankly, I don't think Apple charged ENOUGH for this device, as it's going to replace a handful of devices for me (laptop, cell phone, iPod, etc). |
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boycott-walmart
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I mean, it was a 30-second spot.
That's why it would have been nice if Apple gave more than 4 reviewers more than 30 seconds to review the iPhone.
If you get it home, and realize you don't have good coverage in your neighborhood (and it happens...), then you have 14 days to think about it. Seems pretty damn reasonable to me.
That 10% restocking fee makes it more than reasonable, I'm sure.
For the record, Apple never said the battery would need to be REPLACED after 300-400 charge cycles, just that the battery would possess 80% of it's charge capacity at that time. That's a HUGE difference in meaning.
In other words, at the end of one year, the battery has 80% of its original capacity and at the end of 2 years it has 64% of its original capacity. I think it's fair to say sometime between the first 12 to 24 months the battery will need to be replaced.
For anyone who's struggled with cell phones that don't play nice with Macs, that's a HUGE factor, worth the cost of admission on those grounds alone.
I guess we now know what it means to be an Apple serf. |
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jackrodgers
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| boycott-walmart wrote: | Wonder why Apple didn't make clear to people the iPhone battery only lasts 300 to 400 charges and then you have to buy a new battery for $79 plus a $6.95 shipping charge!
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Perhaps this web page wasn't available previously? Apple states that the battery will retain 80 percent of its abilities after 400 cycles.
Also, the statements you referenced to an article were not fully in agreement with what Apple's web site states. It is not unusual for a writer to make mistakes.
Apple will replace the battery under warranty if it fails within one year, two if AppleCare for the iPhone is purchased.
Note, this info on Apple's web site may not have appeared until after the iPhone release date. Since there is so much info and so many pages and one has to drill down to find this specific info coupled with an eager excitement, many readers might not find it. But it can be found. |
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xenophon
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That's under ideal conditions but is doable.
Here's some good info on lithium ion batteries...
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
It says you will get longer battery life if charging often and not allowing 100% discharge. Temperature is also a factor and unfortunately in cellphones, there is some heat generated.
Cellphone usage is also quite a bit higher than MP3 players - it's always on. I can't quite get a year out of a Treo battery and still get a full days charge. But I'm a heavier than average user and keep the phone in my pocket (body heat issues).
Simple Guidelines
* Avoid frequent full discharges because this puts additional strain on the battery. Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory. (In this respect, lithium-ion differs from nickel-based batteries.) Short battery life in a laptop is mainly cause by heat rather than charge / discharge patterns.
* Batteries with fuel gauge (laptops) should be calibrated by applying a deliberate full discharge once every 30 charges. Running the pack down in the equipment does this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate and in some cases cut off the device prematurely.
* Keep the lithium-ion battery cool. Avoid a hot car. For prolonged storage, keep the battery at a 40% charge level.
* Consider removing the battery from a laptop when running on fixed power. (Some laptop manufacturers are concerned about dust and moisture accumulating inside the battery casing.)
* Avoid purchasing spare lithium-ion batteries for later use. Observe manufacturing dates. Do not buy old stock, even if sold at clearance prices.
* If you have a spare lithium-ion battery, use one to the fullest and keep the other cool by placing it in the refrigerator. Do not freeze the battery. For best results, store the battery at 40% state-of-charge. |
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macinfosys
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| boycott-walmart wrote: | For the record, Apple never said the battery would need to be REPLACED after 300-400 charge cycles, just that the battery would possess 80% of it's charge capacity at that time. That's a HUGE difference in meaning.
In other words, at the end of one year, the battery has 80% of its original capacity and at the end of 2 years it has 64% of its original capacity. I think it's fair to say sometime between the first 12 to 24 months the battery will need to be replaced. |
I really doubt you will blow through 365 FULL charge cycles in 1 year unless you end up draining and recharging the battery 100% EVERY DAY!
You really need to read and understand charge cycles and this also holds true to all Li batteries in all of the cell phones out there.
I personally have used and tested over a dozen Smart Phones over the last 2 years and even though the Apple iPhone has it's limitations which some will be resolved through software updates, still provides for a very rich experience for what it does offer.
My last phone which I still have and using very little of is a Windows Mobile phone (through Verizon) connecting to our company Kerio server through OTA Active Sync. I DO miss the ability to do this on the iPhone but I am also confident in the future this ability will be available.
Using the WM phone with a lot less web browsing than I currently use the iPhone, I use to get half the battery life that I am getting on the iPhone. Every morning I would leave the office with a spare battery in my pocket and by the time I would get back to the house I would have gone through BOTH batteries and sometimes would even need to do a quick usb or car charge on my way to an appointment to get me through the day. Using the iPhone I can go through the day with enough charge that I could continue to use the phone into the evening if I really wanted to.
I persoanlly wouldn't mind a replaceable battery option BUT I also have seen the inside of the iphone and how all of it's components are tightly integrated together. In order to offer such option Apple would have probably had to create a thicker phone which I personally love the fact this phone is more than half the thikness of my last phone!
Again my point to all of this is that the battery is NOT going to loose it's life like you THINK it is going to and especially since I am able to use the phone with just one battery and still have charge left to continue working means that the battery is going to last even longer than my WM phone. Also the replacement option that Apple has made available is fair especially since the cost of a single spare battery for my current Verizon phone was $60. If I am going to blow through the same cycles on my 2 batteries on my WM phone as I am going to on the iPhone then that means when it is time to replace them I would need to go and buy 2 batteries for the WM phone compared to my 1 in the iPhone.
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socksbb
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A few things... EDGE would be usable if only the latency was not so crappy.
Also, the iPhone originally was going to be CDMA in the states, but Verizon decided not to work with Apple, and the first company to accept Apple's demands was Cingular/ATT.
Apple has said they would have perfected Verizon as a partner.
From what I see, the reason why Version one does not have a 3G technology, is because:
- 3g Radios take more power... something the iPhone can not spare yet.
- Cingular's network infrastructure is not ready for 700,000 new devices to be pulling 1/Mbps.
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jackrodgers
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| boycott-walmart wrote: | You're (probably intentionally) missing the point.
Apple's marketing of the iPhone borders on dishonest.
As for comparing the iPhone to other products, Gee, it would have been nice had Apple distributed the iPhone prior to launch to more than a handful of reviewers cozy with Steve Jobs. |
Advertising always borders on the dishonest regardless of the company.
Plus it enhances the delusions of the consumer whick is where the real problem lies. Without the willing believers and those who are willing to fill their imaginations with grand speculations, advertising and religion would dissappear. |
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boycott-walmart
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| I really get a kick out of that 10% restocking fee. It is such a contemptuous and high-handed gesture by Steve Jobs towards his own fans and the party faithful. |
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boycott-walmart
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macinfosys wrote:
I really doubt you will blow through 365 FULL charge cycles in 1 year unless you end up draining and recharging the battery 100% EVERY DAY!
I just saw this on Yahoo and thought it might be of interest:
I've only had my iPhone for less than a week, and already I've noticed that it's quite the power hog. After a full night of charging, some reasonable Web browsing and a phone call or two, the battery indicator sinks below the 50 percent mark well before Miller time.
The rest of the column (if you're a glutton for punishment) is here: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/2904 |
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macinfosys
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| boycott-walmart wrote: | macinfosys wrote:
I really doubt you will blow through 365 FULL charge cycles in 1 year unless you end up draining and recharging the battery 100% EVERY DAY!
I just saw this on Yahoo and thought it might be of interest:
I've only had my iPhone for less than a week, and already I've noticed that it's quite the power hog. After a full night of charging, some reasonable Web browsing and a phone call or two, the battery indicator sinks below the 50 percent mark well before Miller time.
The rest of the column (if you're a glutton for punishment) is here: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/2904 |
I can tell you my experience has been MUCH different and I can also say for 6 other clients of ours that their experience has been pretty positive in many areas including battery life. I am sure everyones patterns are different and also the cell coverage would play a huge roll in the battery drain amongst other things. But if you are in a weak cell coverage area, the phone will have to work harder(drain more battery) to communicate with the towers.
Like I said, milage will vary but so far mine and others that I have been in touch with personally have had good results.
http://www.macinfosys.com |
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