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tim_gladding
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| richard_DC wrote: | | Will the KR1 support MAC cloning? |
Unless you are connecting the KR1 directly to a cable modem, this shouldn't even be an issue.
But this is something I had not though of before. Does the KR1 have an "uplink" port other than the EV-DO card slot/USB port? |
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richard_DC
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| Not sure....my coworker mentioned Verizon would likely be packet sniffing and when they detect multiple MACs via the KR1 using the EVDO connection....cancel the service because of a TOS violation. He mentioned there's a workaround in the router config that repackages all outgoing packets with the predefined (cloned) MAC address. |
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tim_gladding
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Location: Northern VA
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| richard_DC wrote: | | Not sure....my coworker mentioned Verizon would likely be packet sniffing and when they detect multiple MACs via the KR1 using the EVDO connection....cancel the service because of a TOS violation. He mentioned there's a workaround in the router config that repackages all outgoing packets with the predefined (cloned) MAC address. |
Sorry, but then your coworker has no clue what s/he is talking about  that's just not how networks work. |
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Zorog
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Checking back in with an update....
The SIP/MIP issues has been fixed, and there is only one remaining bug in the router firmware preventing commercial release. Folks are working hard on it, you should be seeing the router soon.
LOL - That being said, don't look for it until you see it coming! |
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Mackieman
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| tim_gladding wrote: | | Does the KR1 have an "uplink" port other than the EV-DO card slot/USB port? |
Nope, the WAN connection is through the PC Card or an EVDO phone.
| richard_DC wrote: | | Will the KR1 support MAC cloning? |
| richard_DC wrote: | | He mentioned there's a workaround in the router config that repackages all outgoing packets with the predefined (cloned) MAC address. |
I think you might have your terminology a little confused. MAC cloning is a feature designed to allow the router to take on the MAC ID of a different client. The application for this is on networks that require you to supply and authenticate the MAC ID for the node you want to use on the network. This was used quite a bit in early broadband situations and is still required by a lot of university networks.
For example, if you had to provide a MAC ID to connect to a network, you probably provided the one from the NIC of your computer. After that, you decide you would like to get a router. You can't use the router out of the box because it has a different MAC ID and would not be able to connect to the network. The network administrator might see this and turn off your access completely. The solution to this is to use MAC cloning and allow your router to use the MAC ID of your computer's NIC. Your connection magically works after this because the network thinks your router is actually your computer. This is also called MAC spoofing.
As far as ISPs figuring out how many LAN nodes you have, it's fairly difficult to do and not very practical. Masking the MAC IDs for LAN nodes with the WAN MAC ID and IP address is the function of a router with NAT. NAT provides a routing table in conjunction with DHCP and DNS for the router to work with. All traffic coming in from LAN hosts is stripped of its MAC ID and other pertinent information and is replaced with the MAC ID and public IP address of the router (WAN). When ACK traffic is received, the router looks at the routing table and determines where the final destination is and passes it through accordingly.
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hardeep007
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Joined: 24 Dec 2005
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Location: KC, Missouri
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| Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: KR1 supporting VOIP |
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Does anyone know how well the KR1 will function with VOIP? Also, would you recommend this kind of product at a hotel. I have a wired 48 room hotel that is just waiting for a highspeed connection other than overpriced satellite connections. I will be also setting up a public hotspot along with the room connections.
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MaximumSignal
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Joined: 08 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: KR1 supporting VOIP |
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| hardeep007 wrote: | Does anyone know how well the KR1 will function with VOIP? Also, would you recommend this kind of product at a hotel. I have a wired 48 room hotel that is just waiting for a highspeed connection other than overpriced satellite connections. I will be also setting up a public hotspot along with the room connections.
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I doubt is this unit would substitute very well for in your hotel application . You are talking about sharing 1 evdo connection with up to 48 users. It would never be able to handle it and your speed would be pathetic split up that many ways. Now for a hotspot in your lobby or coffeshop maybe with 2-4 users might be acceptable for customer yearning for a online connection maybe.But at this time I do not believe a single EVDO connection could be or should be used in a commercial application such as a hotel.As far as VOIP usage I have heard poor to mediocre results. |
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hardeep007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject: Not 48 users |
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well my hotel won't have 48 users logged on at all times. i might have about 4 to 5 users logged on b/c this is an economy brand hotel and the big business travelers skip out on us  i'm thinking about an authentication hotspot gateway that limits bandwidth so that hotel guests don't take away from employee usage. evdo good for 4 to 5 simultaneous users? however i will hookup a 48 port switch, is that going to affect any performance even though only a few users log on? also, is the release of the KR1 imminent? like maybe this coming month? |
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Mackieman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Not 48 users |
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| hardeep007 wrote: | | well my hotel won't have 48 users logged on at all times. i might have about 4 to 5 users logged on b/c this is an economy brand hotel and the big business travelers skip out on us i'm thinking about an authentication hotspot gateway that limits bandwidth so that hotel guests don't take away from employee usage. evdo good for 4 to 5 simultaneous users? however i will hookup a 48 port switch, is that going to affect any performance even though only a few users log on? also, is the release of the KR1 imminent? like maybe this coming month? |
Four to five people can browse the Internet and check e-mail. Anything requiring more than the bare minimum of bandwidth is going to make the whole thing choke though, and that is given that your EVDO connection is perfect. Also, VoIP works but not at all that well in my testing.
You can hook up a 48 port switch with no problems at all provided that only a couple of people are actually using the service. If you want an authentication hotspot and all of that, KR1 isn't really going to do it for you. It is more of a consumer-level device. If you really wanted to do it correctly, you'd have three or four EVDO routers/servers that service different areas of your building. And really, if you went to all that trouble you could probably have a T1 piped in provided you don't live in the middle of nowhere. |
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hardeep007
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Location: KC, Missouri
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: release date |
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is there any new information about when this thing will release.
anxiously waiting!!! |
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tz1
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject: Latency might be a problem for VoIP |
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| Ping times to the next hop are on the order of 250 mS with my card. Normally you want a low latency line. Also I've noted some hiccups when driving which will cause hiccups with a 16K bits per sec media stream. Get a real cell phone. (Or, if they ever come up with a Tethered phone plan - my VX8100 works nicely via the USB cable with all the OSes, and the KR1 might even support it eventually). |
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Michael
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FYI, for anyone in Las Vegas at the Consumer Electronic Show...
Kyocera will NOT have a booth at CES, BUT they will be in the D-Link booth (South Hall 4/35832) and showing the KR1. If you talk to them and get a release date, post it here...
Anyone going to MacWorld next week, we will have a KR1 in our EVDOinfo booth.
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Bob H.
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| boater805 wrote: | | ....how would you like to OWN the router and have it DEAD without kyocera being able to fix it. |
I purposely waited for the air to clear before posting this, but the basic concept is flawed. The idea of a piece of hardware supporting another piece of hardware who's firmware can be changed in an instant by a third party would be a nightmare without the support of that third party. In other words, the cell providers must be in the loop or we could be buying VERY short-lived equipment. This is not a limitation that would be 'caught' by Beta testers working with a static system. Anyone taking any bets on whether this product EVER hits the streets????
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Mackieman
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| Bob H. wrote: |
I purposely waited for the air to clear before posting this, but the basic concept is flawed. The idea of a piece of hardware supporting another piece of hardware who's firmware can be changed in an instant by a third party would be a nightmare without the support of that third party. In other words, the cell providers must be in the loop or we could be buying VERY short-lived equipment. This is not a limitation that would be 'caught' by Beta testers working with a static system. Anyone taking any bets on whether this product EVER hits the streets???? |
Not so much...no. While that idea does hold true in some situations in this case, the PC card is a contained unit that has rather limited interaction with the router. The router relationship is two-fold: connection initiation and datagram throughput. The router loads a driver for a card, initiates the connection, and manages data in and out. The type of card and software on the card is independent of its performance in the router. The fact remains, and this was a design point, that if the card works in a laptop it will work in KR1 (provided the driver is loaded in the KR1 firmware).
Moreover, unlike some consumer electronics products, KR1 is tested before software is released. Further, if major updates to something involved do occur, router software can be updated fairly easily. I think you're overly worried about something that isn't a big problem. |
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