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trandall
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Ba Hum Bug!
Sounds like waiting for a new MS office release!
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SL10
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| Zorog wrote: | Hey, guys - Sorry I haven't been online in a while.
The reason for the KR1 delay is that it only works with Mobile IP (MIP), and does not attempt EVDO registration when the card is configured for Simple IP (SIP).
Most carriers on the planet are using SIP, so they can't ship the routers. Verizon has shipped out some cards configured for MIP, those were the ones you saw working with the KR1.
Kyocera and D-Link can't sell/release the router until D-Link figures out how to dial up EVDO using SIP.
As of 12/12 - the problem has been reproduced in the labs, but no fix has been found yet. |
Man, that sucks to hear this news. Time to forget about the KR1. Now, I have to develop another solution for WiFi to replace the KR1 solution I had planned out. *walks away kicking rocks* 
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xenophon
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| This is confusing because didn't Michael say he tested an early model on Sprint/Verizon cards and it worked? |
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SL10
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| educationk12 wrote: | | i dont have a tree in my house, but if that is what it takes to pursuade companies to release products then im going to plant a forest. |
LMAO here. This is original. *takes notes* 
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SL10
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| xenophon wrote: | | This is confusing because didn't Michael say he tested an early model on Sprint/Verizon cards and it worked? |
Yes, I remember that being said also. But, VZW and Sprint may have changed the platform some since then. There is a thread around here that made mention of VZW changing the firmware and software on the 5220 card that caused issues for some. Anytime Sprint or VZW make changes to the network they always follow up with firmware updates so that a device will work with the changes. This is just speculation on my part?
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jimzak
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: meanwhile in New Orleans... |
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...meanwhile in New Orleans...
I originally looked in to the Kyocera (vaporware) router as a way to get "internets" back at my home which had power, but no dial tone, no natural gas, and no cable.
I got home and despite the lack of dial tone, I had ADSL.
So I decided to use the Kyocera card at work as the bandwidth of the LAN here was dismal and I could access the information I needed much faster over the "internets".
Unfortunately the bandwidth of the Verizon EVDO is pretty bad (likely due to destruction of the Verizon infrastructure here,) and I can't imagine how slow it would be to share that bandwidth on a router.
Bottomline: For me the delay in the availability of the router has been a good thing and saved me a few bucks. I would have wasted the money on the router had it been available on schedule.
BTW: The overall situation is still dismal here. I now have cable and natural gas, but still no dial tone. I'm the only person living in their home on my entire street. There are a couple of FEMA trailers though.
Happy Holidays! [You don't know what you have until you lose it!] |
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boater805
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| SL10 wrote: | | xenophon wrote: | | This is confusing because didn't Michael say he tested an early model on Sprint/Verizon cards and it worked? |
Yes, I remember that being said also. But, VZW and Sprint may have changed the platform some since then. There is a thread around here that made mention of VZW changing the firmware and software on the 5220 card that caused issues for some. Anytime Sprint or VZW make changes to the network they always follow up with firmware updates so that a device will work with the changes. This is just speculation on my part? |
Well, unhappily the vaporware nature of the router has been confirmed finally. This isn't a product, its a concept "gee, we have this idea for a gadget and tinkered around some but can't make it work".
The really scarey thing is that if as the posts by beta testers here seem to indicate it was working some and *minor* network changes killed it and then kyocera can't figure out a fix for those minor changes after many weeks then how would you like to OWN the router and have it DEAD without kyocera being able to fix it.
I'd now say if it ever comes to market that I'd avoid it like the plague for at least its 1st full year in service (and by then it'll be obsolete no doubt).
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Mackieman
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| xenophon wrote: | | This is confusing because didn't Michael say he tested an early model on Sprint/Verizon cards and it worked? |
Sprint and Verizon both operate MobileIP networks that use an AAA Home Agent Authentication based on a shared key programmed into the PC card at provisioning. Alltel uses a SimpleIP network which works much like a dialup connection in Windows. A username and password has to be passed along with the dial string for it to work; that had to be investigated and fixed.
Additionally, there have been many other issues that had to be resolved. These issues were not always minor as some may claim. The bottom line is that when it is released, it will be a quality product. Is the extra time worth it? You bet. I'm really going to have a grin on my face when this product gets out there and all of you vaporware screamers have to wear egg. |
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tz1
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It was already posted that you need a Windows PC (or special Mac software) to update the PRL list or activate the card, but once done, it would work.
I have a multiboot system and Linux knows nothing of SIP/MIP, yet manages to access the card (which appears as a fancy USB serial modem).
I know they may need to tweak some things, but I don't know if they are trying to duplicate the activation and other stuff from the windows application, or really have some other real technical problem.
The stompboxes don't seem to have general difficulties so I doubt the KR1 would. |
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Michael
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tim_gladding
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| Michael wrote: | | My understanding, this is more of an AllTell issue vs. Verizon/Sprint (which is why I didn't have any problems when testing Verizon & Sprint cards with it). |
So release it ready for Verizon/Sprint users already. We shouldn't have to suffer becasue AllTel did things differently
Firmware upgrades are nothing. It's not like this will cause a hardware redesign! |
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Mackieman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:23 am Post subject: Re: But it works with Linux... |
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| tz1 wrote: | It was already posted that you need a Windows PC (or special Mac software) to update the PRL list or activate the card, but once done, it would work.
I have a multiboot system and Linux knows nothing of SIP/MIP, yet manages to access the card (which appears as a fancy USB serial modem).
I know they may need to tweak some things, but I don't know if they are trying to duplicate the activation and other stuff from the windows application, or really have some other real technical problem.
The stompboxes don't seem to have general difficulties so I doubt the KR1 would. |
Here's the key idea: This issue has nothing to do with initial provisioning or setup; this is a post-setup connection issue. Your card does not care about SIP or MIP; the software you use to connect to your carrier's network does care and takes care of the correct dial string for you. Verizon's VZAccess and Alltel's Quick Link Mobile both do this because those functions were programmed into the applications. The same thing had to be developed and implemented it the router.
| tim_gladding wrote: | So release it ready for Verizon/Sprint users already. We shouldn't have to suffer becasue AllTel did things differently
Firmware upgrades are nothing. It's not like this will cause a hardware redesign! |
The problem here is that most wireless carrier customer acceptance cycles require final hardware and software to begin the process of offering a product. Additionally, there are internal quality standards that must be adhered to by ISO-certified companies. This is a merging of the consumer networking electronics industry and the wireless telecom industry; there are rules and standards for each industry that come into play. |
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Zorog
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| Quote: | My understanding, this is more of an AllTell issue vs. Verizon/Sprint (which is why I didn't have any problems when testing Verizon & Sprint cards with it).
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Actually, it's not an ALLTEL versus Sprint/Verizon issue. Verizon rolled out EVDO using SIP, and still uses SIP. If you get a different IP address each time you log in, or when you roam, you are using SIP. SIP=DHCP.
Only recently has Verizon started issuing MIP (a static, fixed IP address) on their consumer devices, though they always offered it for a fee to businesses. Remember all the hoopla about charging a bunch to get a static IP address? That is MIP. Most of the existing Verizon base has SIP, so it's a backwards-compatibility issue with Verizon as well. I'm not sure about Sprint's strategy of SIP versus MIP, so I cannot comment. I also know that the KR1 will be sold in many countries around the world, and the SIP/MIP issue applies to many carriers.
Regardless, I received an Engineering build to test today, so this should be resolved. I understand there are a few other bugs that have been holding up the launch, but the fixed (hopefully final) version was just completed, and they are hoping the launch will be soon.
Don't give up hope, folks. It's a very nice product, and I love it! |
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trandall
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Zorog,
I haven't given up, but in the mean time please send me yours so I can experience the "love" 
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richard_DC
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Will the KR1 support MAC cloning? I believe this is the term...which allows the router to repacket the connected computer's MAC with a defined MAC address (either the routers or one of the computers)?
I was discussing the router with a co-worker and he commented that his cable provider had been monitoring the MAC address traffic from his home network and determined that he had 3 computers connected at once which accordingly was a violation of the Comcast TOS. Anyway...he mentioned with a Linksys router you could enable some type of MAC cloning/aliasing to prevent the cable company from identifying mulitiple MACs. A review of the KR1 documentation didn't seem to address this function. If not I'll probably connect a Linksys travel router for wi-fi to the KR1 and MAC cloning purposes.
OK....may have found the answer in the KR1 documentation...you can clone a DHCP client MAC address (under MAC filters.) I assume that will be the address the router and all connected computers is translated to. Please advise. Thanks. |
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