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n6gn
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xchpstang wrote:

For all intents and purposes EVDO is comparable to WiMax where it is deployed in a metro area and access is not limited to a hot spot. I have tried Clearwire in my area and perhaps it is better compared to EVDO since speeds are signal dependent and it has the exact same limitations as EVDO. In my case I cancelled since the coverage in my home was poor due to distance to the tower. Since they use 2.5Ghz I think the reach on the towers is very minimal. My home is 3 miles from the tower in a moderately populated suburb and could barely get a signal, let alone decent download speeds.

In a nutshell, WiMax is not quite here yet.


I appreciate hearing the 1st hand report. I am very much not surprised. While there may be a difference in the ISP/carrier sense, both mobile carriers and ClearWire (as well as any other fixed or mobile wireless operators you care to name) have to deal with the same physical laws and propagation characteristics. As pointed out in another thread, these physical constraints have a large impact on cell site density and corresponding business model. This is even more fundamental than coding and protocol. Against the hype of 75 Mbps, non-LOS and 35 miles, WiMax is never going to get here. It may, however, prove to be an upgrade path from EV-DO.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intel to integrate WiMAX/WiFi chipsets into Centrino by 2008. Mentions Clearwire and Sprint. I'll still be surprised if the chipsets are tied to carriers - it just doesn't make sense for Intel to go down that path.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060928/tc_pcworld/127319
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xenophon wrote:
Intel to integrate WiMAX/WiFi chipsets into Centrino by 2008. Mentions Clearwire and Sprint. I'll still be surprised if the chipsets are tied to carriers - it just doesn't make sense for Intel to go down that path.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060928/tc_pcworld/127319


You can buy the same card from Sierra or Merlin and it will work with Verizone and Sprint. They have ways of determining if the card was sold by them and whether or not to use it. The card itself is not tied to the carrier via its chip but via some serial number, etc. The carriers slap on a label designed by their artists to make it look like they had something to do with making the card...

I think the differentiation will be whether or not the card/chip does a certain type of EVDO or competitor and meets certain compatibility standards.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am kind of surprised that this is still a discussion. WiMAX devices will definitely be tied to carriers, whether they have EV-DO functionality with them or not.

You may find a situation similar to unlocked GSM phones where a reasonably priced ($100-$200) card tied to a carrier will also be sold at a much higher price ($300-400), but even that is questionable.

I just don't get why so many people have trouble grasping this concept. I teach wireless networking classes frequently and most of my students come into class with this same wrong impression that WiMAX subscriber stations will be like Wi-Fi stations rather than BroadbandAccess client adapters.

Intel has done a great job of hyping WiMAX as this open technology, but the reality is somewhat different. It's most accurate to think of WiMAX just like EV-DO. If you get down to the nitty-gritty technical details there are significant differences, but from the user's perspective they are both just broadband wireless access technologies designed to be sold by service providers.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben Miller wrote:

Intel has done a great job of hyping WiMAX as this open technology, but the reality is somewhat different. It's most accurate to think of WiMAX just like EV-DO. If you get down to the nitty-gritty technical details there are significant differences, but from the user's perspective they are both just broadband wireless access technologies designed to be sold by service providers.


Indeed. And along with that the most salient technical differences are probably not about how fast it will go but about how slowly it will go... WiMax sort of takes over about where EV-DO leaves off and offers an upgrade path to full 3G and towards 4G. However, if one is thinking about WiFi sorts of rates, perhaps the much-hyped 75 Mbps Intel presents, the performance is going to be very similar to WiFi given similar antennas and device power. In short, it will be very short range, a few hundred feet is probably all that can be expected.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NTT Docomo has alot of that working already on their pioneer 4G network. NTT mentions that 100Mbps might be the snapshot take for 3.9G but I don't know if a definite decision has been made yet.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject: WiMax News Updates Reply with quote

29Dec06 WSJ. Sprint is near announcing Nokia as third WiMax handset provider, joining Motorola and Samsung. Others competing to be Sprint's third supplier included Alcatel-Lucent of Paris, Canada's Nortel Networks Corp., and Chinese companies ZTE Corp. and Huawei Technologies Co. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116735988458762213.html

15Dec06 BSNL, the largest telecom service provider in India, has begun rolling out Aperto Networks’s carrier-grade, WiMAX Forum Certified™ products. Aperto’s PacketMax gear will be up and running by January in six cities and four rural districts in India. Aperto Networks of Milpitas, CA and serves more than 200 customers in 65 countries. www.apertonet.com/news/archives121506.html

5Dec06. Nortel and Toshiba are working with the Japanese government on a next-generation wireless trial using WiMAX solutions from Nortel to deliver mobile high-speed broadband services in the northern Tohoku region... The trial, being conducted by the Tohoku Bureau of Telecommunications, a regional arm of Japan's Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications (MIC), is part of MIC's 'Next Generation Broadband Strategy 2010.' The vision is targeting anywhere, anytime connectivity for all citizens by 2010 through universal broadband services supporting Internet access, VoIP, video conferencing, interactive gaming and other high-bandwidth services. The Nortel solution is fully IEEE802.16-e compliant and will run on the 2.5GHz frequency band. Currently, Nortel is trialing its WiMAX solutions with a number of carriers around the world, notably in Taiwan, Germany, Canada, Greece, Russia and Mexico. http://www2.nortel.com/go/news_detail.jsp?cat_id=-8055&oid=100211397

9Nov06. In Computerworld interview with Sprint's director of Mobile Broadband Strategy, Peter Cannistra said Sprint will have two top-10 markets by the end of 2007 [Chicago & Washington DC]. The network will cover 100 million people by the end of 2008, and 170 million people by the end of 2010. www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9004931

25Oct06. Intel and Clearwire announced they will jointly develop and deploy wireless broadband capabilities using WiMAX networks. Intel to integrate WiMAX/WiFi chipsets into Centrino by 2008. In August, Clearwire launched its first broadband wireless network, using NextNet technology, in Jacksonville, FL. The network, is a precursor to upcoming WiMAX networks. It uses technologies very similar to WiMAX and offers comparable features that are expected to be available in a full-scale WiMAX network. It provides high-speed broadband wireless service throughout most of the greater Jacksonville area. www.clearwire.com/company/news/10_25_04-1.php
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xenophon wrote:
You can buy the same card from Sierra or Merlin and it will work with Verizone and Sprint. They have ways of determining if the card was sold by them and whether or not to use it. The card itself is not tied to the carrier via its chip but via some serial number, etc. The carriers slap on a label designed by their artists to make it look like they had something to do with making the card...

I think the differentiation will be whether or not the card/chip does a certain type of EVDO or competitor and meets certain compatibility standards.


For a long time the various telephone companies held a monopoly on their wires and the phone you got. Then the Feds stepped in with some legislation forcing them to open their lines and even breaking up the big guys into small guys which are now buying each other to become big again.

Since the same card is used by several ips with their own label on it and maybe some firmware adjustments, it seems obvious that something stinks. I can go to a store, buy a phone, and plug it into the wall socket and it will work. So why not these cards?

Could it be that the phone bills are inflated to pay for the cards we get 'for free'? Probably. So if we have our own card, shouldn't the phone bill be less?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xenophon wrote:
Seems to me Sprint is trying to become primarily a wireless data company and voice would become just one of many services on top of data.


It's interesting that you should say that; a while ago I was telling someone that I thought Sprint should gradually cut off (and kick out) it's voice customers, completely, so that all their towers could be used for 3G (and later 4G) data only services.

After that was completely, they could pour all their money into increasing the "pipe" to each of the towers.

Finally then, Sprint could be a viable competitor for people seeking broadband...I know if they promoted their product well enough, they could nab literally thousands of rural customers yearning to have broadband that has no Fair Access Policy and has latency which can be low enough to support VoIP and gaming.


Still, I doubt they'll ever do this....they've got a lot of voice customers right now, and I do not doubt that's where they're making the bulk of their money....still, it would be nice if they did this.

Just think though, if they did...a nationwide low-latency, broadband connection.....
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