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USB760 VS UM175

 
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Matt715
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:59 pm    Post subject: USB760 VS UM175 Reply with quote

I was wondering if there is any performance difference between the Novatel USB760 and the Pantech UM175 on the Verizon network? I'm still running a UM175 and it's working great but I have been wondering if there is any advantage to switching to a newer model. Before it gets asked, I don't want to switch to a 4G modem because I have a unlimited data plan.

Thanks,

Matt
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have an Unlimited Account with Verizon (was Alltel) but had the UM150. About a year and a half ago I tried the USB760 but it didn't get as good a signal at my location (very rural). I really can't give any RSSI compairison as I said it has been a while since I tried it but the 760 didn't get as good a signal and kept dropping back to National Access (1xRTT). I would pickup a UM175 on Ebay for back up, my 150 crapped out after about 3 years and I picked up another verizon 150 on Ebay for $ 25.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: USB760 VS UM175 Reply with quote

Matt715 wrote:
I was wondering if there is any performance difference between the Novatel USB760 and the Pantech UM175 on the Verizon network? I'm still running a UM175 and it's working great but I have been wondering if there is any advantage to switching to a newer model. Before it gets asked, I don't want to switch to a 4G modem because I have a unlimited data plan.

Thanks,

Matt

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Two things to say as somewhat got lucky on google. In an old PC mag review and test dated 3/9/2009, you might find your answer here.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/b/0,2817,2342525,00.asp

After that, my other comment is that my Verizon modem experience, as a mere consumer is rather limited. As I have only tried 3 different Verizon modems in the nearly 3 years I have been a Verizon customer. I started out with the even older 3G Novatel USB 720 I bought used to avoid a contract. Later I switched to a 3G MIFI Verizon 2200 I also bought used, for reasons of economy and not speed. As the MIFI 2200 offered me a $10.00 a month savings and also the option of getting 10 GB/mo. for $80. But truth be told, I had hoped that the larger MIFI 2200 would accommodate a larger internal antenna. After all, it just makes logical sense, how can the itsy bitsie internal antenna of a typical USB modem at half the size of a stick of chewing gum compete with a larger internal potential antenna inside a MIFI modem the size of half the thickness of a deck of playing cards. As the question gets weirder, when we consider, how can any 3G or 4G modem hope to compete with the antenna's on cell phone towers, that are both hoisted high in the air and are the size of an average refrigerator. But sad to say, when I replaced my older USB 720 modem with a MIFI 2200, I got exactly equivalent performance.

I can't say the same thing, now that I have switched to a 4G Verizon 4620L modem. And got at least a 10X speed increase over 3G. But then the plot thickens, when the older 4G 4510L MIFI was tested against the newer and same sized 4620L by the 3G store and the 4620L did far better speed wise than the 4510L. Is it better design, a bigger internal antenna or what?

But still, Matt, if I had an unlimited 3G plan, I would never have upgraded to 4G. And if you wants better 3G speeds, your best hope may be in a external antenna.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies and article. I think I am just about maxed out when it comes to performance but one always wonders if there is a little more to be had. Here is a speed test:



I used to have a Alltel UM175 which I thought worked great until I got a Verizon one earlier this year. The new modem brought my ping down from 250-300 to around 100. Along with the better pings, I also seem to have more consistent speeds.

I do have a external omni antenna which works great and my signal is strong.

I guess I could keep my eyes open for a cheap one and pick up a new antenna adapter and give it the old college try. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need for a new antenna adapter. The UM175 and U760 can use the same.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt715 wrote:
Thanks for the replies and article. I think I am just about maxed out when it comes to performance but one always wonders if there is a little more to be had. Here is a speed test:



I used to have a Alltel UM175 which I thought worked great until I got a Verizon one earlier this year. The new modem brought my ping down from 250-300 to around 100. Along with the better pings, I also seem to have more consistent speeds.

I do have a external omni antenna which works great and my signal is strong.

I guess I could keep my eyes open for a cheap one and pick up a new antenna adapter and give it the old college try. Smile

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As I note, your 2.06 Mbits/sec down on 3G and sub 100 ms ping is at least 33% faster than than I ever got, even on my best 3G day, using either my 3G USB 720, or my 3G MIFI 2200 modem. As the other thing to point out, even if you can find other 3G modems to test cheap on the used market, its still no longer a cheap experiment. When I changed over from a USB 720 to a MIFI 2200 modem, it was simple matter of a free Verizon 3G ESN switch. Sadly that Verizon freebie expired on 4/21/2012. Now that 3G ESN switch costs about $30.00 and if you find your new modem is significantly slower, it might cost you another $30.00 to switch back.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osage wrote:

As I note, your 2.06 Mbits/sec down on 3G and sub 100 ms ping is at least 33% faster than than I ever got, even on my best 3G day, using either my 3G USB 720, or my 3G MIFI 2200 modem. As the other thing to point out, even if you can find other 3G modems to test cheap on the used market, its still no longer a cheap experiment. When I changed over from a USB 720 to a MIFI 2200 modem, it was simple matter of a free Verizon 3G ESN switch. Sadly that Verizon freebie expired on 4/21/2012. Now that 3G ESN switch costs about $30.00 and if you find your new modem is significantly slower, it might cost you another $30.00 to switch back.


Really? I called them yesterday and they didn't mention anything about that. That figures. Mad Maybe I'll stick with what I have since it's working fine.

Also Jim, thanks for the heads up about the adapter.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osage wrote:
Matt715 wrote:
Thanks for the replies and article. I think I am just about maxed out when it comes to performance but one always wonders if there is a little more to be had. Here is a speed test:



I used to have a Alltel UM175 which I thought worked great until I got a Verizon one earlier this year. The new modem brought my ping down from 250-300 to around 100. Along with the better pings, I also seem to have more consistent speeds.

I do have a external omni antenna which works great and my signal is strong.

I guess I could keep my eyes open for a cheap one and pick up a new antenna adapter and give it the old college try. Smile

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As I note, your 2.06 Mbits/sec down on 3G and sub 100 ms ping is at least 33% faster than than I ever got, even on my best 3G day, using either my 3G USB 720, or my 3G MIFI 2200 modem. As the other thing to point out, even if you can find other 3G modems to test cheap on the used market, its still no longer a cheap experiment. When I changed over from a USB 720 to a MIFI 2200 modem, it was simple matter of a free Verizon 3G ESN switch. Sadly that Verizon freebie expired on 4/21/2012. Now that 3G ESN switch costs about $30.00 and if you find your new modem is significantly slower, it might cost you another $30.00 to switch back.


I'm not sure what you're talking about on a $30.00 fee for a 3G ESN switch. I've done this several times recently ( 5 days ago) between my PC5750 and a new UM175 that I purchased from a 3rd party and there is no such fee.It takes 30 seconds on the VZ website and I have never had any issues. I own multiple VZ modems and Smartphones and can move effortlessly between devices ( that are on the same type plan).
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To uvarules,

That was my honest impression, that Verizon would start charging $30.00 for an esn switch post 4/22/2012, but maybe I was wrong and it only applied to folks transitioning from Verizon 3G to 4G.

Thank you maybe for correcting an error. But if you already had all your Esn's previously registered with Verizon, maybe you were grandfathered in.

Since there may be some uncertainty, I would recommend calling Verizon to find out for certain.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osage wrote:
To uvarules,

That was my honest impression, that Verizon would start charging $30.00 for an esn switch post 4/22/2012, but maybe I was wrong and it only applied to folks transitioning from Verizon 3G to 4G.

Thank you maybe for correcting an error. But if you already had all your Esn's previously registered with Verizon, maybe you were grandfathered in.

Since there may be some uncertainty, I would recommend calling Verizon to find out for certain.


Osage:
Thank you for the follow up. I'm pretty sure the $30.00 fee is the recent new charge anytime you upgrade your phone or modem to a new device. I just did it for my wife and son in early June to get them on 4G devices and new 2 year contracts and stay unlimited. Of course we'll see if VZ keeps that for 2years. I did get hit for $30.00 each time for those upgrades.

As an aside, I absolutely love your posts and knowledge in the forums. You are a tremendous asset here and have helped numerous people with your insight.

Keep up the good work!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your kind post uvarules,

But I will be the first to admit I sometimes make mistakes and certainly don't know everything.

When my internet access is wholly dependent, on 3G or 4G technology because I live in a rural area. As I have to give most of the credit to this forum, as the best place to learn to be an informed 3G or 4G consumer.

As my sad comment is our wireless telco's seem to love ignorant and uniformed consumers.

As the 3G forum has a long and proven track record of becoming an consumer educational resource.
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