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So, lets get real. What modem? What router?

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macsaphir
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:15 pm    Post subject: So, lets get real. What modem? What router? Reply with quote

In 2007 I bought a Verizon UMB150 3G modem and took it home. It worked as advertised (very well). Soon after that I bought a CTR 350 router from 3G Store. For the past 4 years it has worked as advertised (exceedingly well). OK! So now I am stuck in a lousy contract with Verizon that charges me $250 GB for overages and costs too much. The only way out is to buy a new 3G/4G modem, and upgrade my router to CTR 35 (or better). Now we get to the nitty gritty!! I have read this forum religiously and done my homework on the web. Is there a 4G setup that will give me the same user satisfaction I got with 3G!!?? My conclusion from all that I have gathered is a resounding NO! Have we reached the limit of our available technology? All I hear about 4G in 3G areas (I am in a 3G area) are horror stories. Please tell me I am wrong. Tell me what modem: LG600, UMB290, 410 or something else that will deliver user satisfaction. Or are we still waiting for technology to catch up and deliver solid, reliable 3G/4G modems and compatible routers?
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pickles
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts exactly! I have the CTR-500, PHS-300 routers and a Verizon 727 Modem. I'm in a 3G only area and I have had great service with this equipment. I too would like to get the LTE Modem and another Router if need be but after reading all the problems folks are having I am afraid to switch. Just don't want all the headaches.

I know there is light at the end of the tunnel and I am so looking forward to it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pickles wrote:


I know there is light at the end of the tunnel and I am so looking forward to it.


Somebody knows what's going on here. It would appear all the router manufacturers are having a problem with the 4G modems from Verizon. Wonder if there is not some fundamental hardware problem with the routers that may require a new router design to make things work.

For now my UML290 is just gathering dust while the USB760 3G just keeps doing it's thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have trouble with Verizon 4G UML290 in a 3G area with or without the router so not sure I would blame the router.

I have been considering trying to find an old 3G only modem to down grade too to see if that helps.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

quillbert wrote:
I have trouble with Verizon 4G UML290 in a 3G area with or without the router so not sure I would blame the router.

I have been considering trying to find an old 3G only modem to down grade too to see if that helps.


Do you mean downgrade your plan from 10GB to 5GB?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turbopilot wrote:
pickles wrote:


I know there is light at the end of the tunnel and I am so looking forward to it.


Somebody knows what's going on here. It would appear all the router manufacturers are having a problem with the 4G modems from Verizon. Wonder if there is not some fundamental hardware problem with the routers that may require a new router design to make things work.

For now my UML290 is just gathering dust while the USB760 3G just keeps doing it's thing.


Could be but my guess is it's a little of both (router and modems). If I had to bet though I would lean towards the Verizon Modems being the problem. I'm just going to hang in there with my 727 until they get it worked out.
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Matt
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you guys want the new rates but don't want the potential 4G headaches why not buy a MiFi 2200 outright and do an ESN swap!

This will allow you to have the reliability of 3G devices, but the better price point of the 4G devices.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friday 4/29/2011

I wrote this email to a friend in Reno, Nevada and he said it stopped his disconnects. NOTE: Reno is a 3G ONLY area. He has a Pantech UML290 modem. Here goes, I hope it helps you.

There are two things you might want to check and update. One is the
"Verizon (VZ) Access Manager" software and the other is the "Pantech UML290 modem" firmware. It appears that you need to set both of them for 3G only because Reno (Nevada) does NOT have 4G. By the way, VZ Access Manager is the program you start up and use to connect to Verizon when the Pantech UML290 is connected to your PC (no router).

Click on VZ Access Manager and connect to Verizon. When connected to the network click on HELP at the top tool bar. Then click on "Check for
Updates" (ignore WiFi updates) and follow whatever directions Verizon gives you to download the latest version of the Verizon Access Manager software and install it. When I did this it downloaded "Version 7.6.3.4 2642j." This will update your VZ Access Manager program to the latest Version.

Now that the new version is installed, use tip #71 below as the basic instructions on how to reset your VZ Access Manager so it looks ONLY for the 3G network, not 4G. Your disconnects probably happen because it keeps trying to go to 4G and 4G is not available in Reno.

Tip # 71: http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/3488/63/

NOTE: I think you want your settings to be "Mobile IP Preferred" and "HDR
only (EVDO)." In any case WRITE DOWN what the settings currently are before you change them so, if needed, you can change them back.

At this point you have updated the VZ Access Manager software in your PC to version "7.6.3.4 2642j" and also reset the VZ Access manager settings to 3G only, not 4G.

Now let's reset the Pantech UML290 modem settings. You need to download the Pantech Modem Utility. To do this go to Tip of the Week #72. It shows you how to download the PanTech utility program to your PC. Don't run it, save it in a folder.

Tip # 72: http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/3492/64/

You now have this small 48 byte utility. To use it to modify the Pantech UML290 settings connect the UML290 to your PC but do NOT connect to the Verizon network.

Then go to the utility program you copied and double click on it. A BLANK screen showing the UML290's possible settings will come up. Click READ (lower left corner) and you will see the settings that are currently in your UML290 modem. Write them down just so you have a copy of what they were.

I think you should choose "CDMA/HDR Only" and "Rev A." After choosing these settings, click on write (lower right corner) and you're done. You have changed these settings. Now close out everything.

Reboot by turning the PC off completely (do not use restart). Now restart your PC and try to connect to the Verizon 3g network using the new settings.

By the way, if you want to see the list of all the tips of the week from the 3G Store go to: http://3gstore.com/page/72_tip_of_the_week.html

I am in an area which has BOTH 4G and 3G and I use a Cradlepoint MBR1000 router. For this 3G/4G area my settings for the Pantech UML290 are "AUTOMATIC" and "eHRPD." For VZ Access Manager they are "Mobile IP referred" and "Global." For my MBR1000 with firmware 1.8.1 in it, I set the router to "AUTO." To do this in a MBR1000 you go to MODEM>SETTINGS, in the router, and set it to "AUTO." BTW, the choices are AUTO, 3G, or LTE.

If you're in a 3G area only I suppose you would choose 3G. For the record, several times when I have connected to the 3G/4G network here my connection was 3G for whatever reason but later it disconnected and restarted as 4G. Here, 99% of the time, when I turn it on, I go directly to 4G.

In a couple of weeks I will be in an area that is 3G ONLY so I will see how well these settings work in my CradlePoint MBR1000, Pantech UML290, and Verizon Access Manger when I'm in a 3G ONLY area. More to follow!

JerryF
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:35 pm    Post subject: Ok..so let's get real Reply with quote

Matt, your suggestion about getting a MiFi and getting the new reduced contract is something I have considered. The main problem is that I live in an outlying area and need an antenna to get good speed. You can't put an antenna on a MiFi and I have no idea how that "proximity booster device" (can't think of the name) would work. My 3G speeds are great--I am afraid to run the risk of spending a bunch more money and ending up with a slower setup than I have now. , as has happened to a number of folks who "upgraded" to UML290's LG600's and the like.*************M***********
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that Verizon in there hurry to put out there new network was poorly prepared. Some of this is intentional like putting out software to throttle the 3g signals so they can concentrate on the 4g. I do not believe it is the routers that have the problem it is Verizon's software designed to keep their control over how the internet is used that has allot to do with this. I just read an article over at Stop The Cap about how the major carriers have more than enough bandwidth and are buying up other frequency ranges so they can control and raise prices.
Quote:
Broadcast Lobby Says ‘Spectrum Crisis’ is Fiction; Wireless Data Tsunami Debunked
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt,

Maybe you could test this idea because it might be a way to get an antenna connection to the 3G MiFi 2200.

Get a Wilson 12" Mag Mount 3G antenna and connect it to a Wilson Cradle. Put the MiFi into the cradle. If the MiFi will not fit close enough to the base of the cradle you may have to remove the sliding side pieces and hold it in place with a rubber band.

This same thing could be done using an amplifier (antenna to amplifier to cradle) to boost the 3G signal. This is what I do in our motorhome.

Please tell me if it works. I may get one if my Pantech UML290 gives me to much grief with 3G ONLY networks when I travel in our Motorhome.

JerryF
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pickles
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt wrote:
If you guys want the new rates but don't want the potential 4G headaches why not buy a MiFi 2200 outright and do an ESN swap!

This will allow you to have the reliability of 3G devices, but the better price point of the 4G devices.


I'm confused...I thought you had to have one of the LTE modems to get the 10GB monthy usage with Verizon.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:24 am    Post subject: MiFi Reply with quote

Verizon has been running a "special deal" where you can get the new plans if you buy a MiFi.******************************M***********
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pickles wrote:
quillbert wrote:
I have trouble with Verizon 4G UML290 in a 3G area with or without the router so not sure I would blame the router.

I have been considering trying to find an old 3G only modem to down grade too to see if that helps.


Do you mean downgrade your plan from 10GB to 5GB?


I meant getting rid of the 3G/4G modem and going to a older 3G only version.

I haven't investigated it yet so didn't realize I couldn't keep the same data plan but...ya, if that's what I have to do.

I'd rather go 5GB and actually have it work vs pay for the 10GB I'm paying now which doesn't work over 1/2 the time and of course almost never when I REALLY need it to.

I'm waiting on a new Antenna to arrive this week to see if it helps before I make any decisions.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think I will stick with what I have for now...at least it is reliable. I would love to have the 10GB plan but will just wait it out. I have the CTR500 router that should work with the Verizon LTE modems but from all I have read it is hit and miss with all of them.
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