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Verizon Announces December 5th Launch For VZ4G LTE

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Matt
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject: Verizon Announces December 5th Launch For VZ4G LTE Reply with quote

Today Verizon held their teleconference in Walton, MA to announce the official launch details of their new VZ4G LTE service. The main speaker was CTO Tony Melone, who announced that the VZ4G LTE service will launch on 12/5/2010. The service will be initially available in 38 markets covering 110 million customers at launch. You can view a list of the 38 cities at 4Ginfo.com/ltemarkets, and Verizon will make street level maps available on 12/5 so that potential users can check to see if coverage is available at a specific address.

You can read the details of the conference here - Verizon VZ4G LTE Launch Details
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My city is not on the list Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Matt for posting this information that covers the 38 basic new new Verizon 4G coverage areas due to be on line on 12/5/2010.

Sadly, at least for me, my closest 12/5/2010 4G Verizon city is around 35-40 miles away. And with the 4G Verizon initial launch covering only 110 million people, for every American covered, there are roughly two that are not.

So its time to ask, does anyone know of Verizon plans to extend 4G coverage to the rest of the country and when?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osage wrote:
Thank you Matt for posting this information that covers the 38 basic new new Verizon 4G coverage areas due to be on line on 12/5/2010.

Sadly, at least for me, my closest 12/5/2010 4G Verizon city is around 35-40 miles away. And with the 4G Verizon initial launch covering only 110 million people, for every American covered, there are roughly two that are not.

So its time to ask, does anyone know of Verizon plans to extend 4G coverage to the rest of the country and when?


You aren't complaining, are you? Laughing

If you read the press releases, they state that they hope to have the entire current 3G footprint covered in 2013, periodically rolling out more and more markets to reach that point. Makes complete sense... hit the areas with the greatest population density first, then work on down the line.

What I'd like to know is whether I'll be able to use my grandfathered unlimited 3G plans/contracts with the new 4G modems without renewing/changing them. From what I read, it isn't possible with *Sprint* to swap the ESN from a 3G modem to a 3G/4G one without altering the plan. I'm hoping it's a different story with VZW. Anyone know?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm lucky enough to be in a Verizon LTE service area, but those usage caps are brutal. That's fast enough to make you use it for streaming video, but the ceiling isn't high enough to not burn you on the overages.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't really get excited about the higher speeds when the caps seemed to be designed for more casual use. I'll still be forced to drive away from my home to download anything of significance and streaming, even radio, will have to remain an occasional splurge. Being able to use up you're quota in 2 or 4 hours doesn't sound like a practical long term arrangement.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Booder98 wrote:
...those usage caps are brutal.


Nuor wrote:
...the caps seemed to be designed for more casual use...


Referring to them as "caps" is probably a misnomer now. You can use unlimited data, it's just that you pay $10/GB. I think this is reasonable, as the "all you can eat" business model might maximize profits for some restaurants, but not likely data providers. I think they'd attract more business (i.e., be even more profitable) if they discounted heavier use more aggressively (e.g., $50/5GB, $80/10GB, $110/20GB, $140/40GB), but charging people based upon actual consumption is not evil nor new. I'd love it if airlines sold "unlimited flying" tickets for the same price as a typical transcon, but they probably don't because the marginal cost of providing additional flights would put them in the red. Same with data carriers... there is a cost to providing bandwidth, so they're not likely inclined to offer plans that appeal to people who will cost them more than they generate in revenue.

If you want to download streaming content from home, perhaps a cabled/wired connection at home and a Verizon 4G one for mobile use would be more suitable for you? I suspect that, as the network spreads and the early adopters have already signed up, we'll see pricing plans more targeted for home-users come about. These initial ones really just make sense for road warriors and/or people who put speed, not total capacity, at a premium.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Referring to them as "caps" is probably a misnomer now. You can use unlimited data, it's just that you pay $10/GB


I'll grant that those aren't caps per se, and are even in line with the monthly price ($10/GB), as opposed to the usurious $50/GB Verizon charge for aircard overages.

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f you want to download streaming content from home, perhaps a cabled/wired connection at home and a Verizon 4G one for mobile use would be more suitable for you?


I don't know what Verizon's long-term strategy is with LTE, but those rates definitely price them out of the wired broadband replacement market. At least they do to anyone who has an idea of what OS patches and streaming video can do to their data usage.

And if I had a wired connection available at home, I wouldn't be darkening this forum's doorstep. Smile

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I suspect that, as the network spreads and the early adopters have already signed up, we'll see pricing plans more targeted for home-users come about.


History doesn't support the notion that wireless broadband prices will drop over time. All those grandfathered Sprint and Verizon plans attest to that.

I guess my disappointment (minor, because I caught a break and Sprint 4G is out my way too now) is that while the Verizon speeds make a lot of bandwidth-hungry uses now practical, the per-GB costs take that away. What was impractical on 3G due to performance (a technical limitation) is now impractical due to cost (a financial consideration). And while money makes the world go round, that price seems excessive to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satellite is the only other option at my home. I've been promised dsl/cable for the last 15+ years but it never happens and at this point I don't expect it will.

I've no objection to limits. But they greatly reduce the attractiveness of 4G speed. example: I bought a game on Steam it was over 10Gig. The major benefits of High speed connections are downloading large files, streaming video etc. As it stands, many of those uses are impractical with a 5 or 10 G "limit". While it is nice to have the extra speed the driving reason for the added speed will remain largely out of "practical" reach.

It isn't "bad", for example I can see some use for limited video conferencing. It just won't allow a real change from my existing 3g usage patterns.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with some of you that the caps are a little low and I'll admit I was blown away while listening to the conference, since I assumed they'd be a bit more competitive considering Sprint/CLEAR have unlimited 4G available.

Verizon CTO Tony Melone did state in the Q/A that they used these plans since people are familiar with them. I'm guessing/hoping they consider some new tiers down the road as the service gains popularity. I don't understand how they can tout great video abilities yet provide a cap that is barely sufficient to stream a few HD movies through Netflix.

It's going to be great for on the go users but I'd say that if Sprint/CLEAR 4G is available, it would be a better option for home use since it's unlimited.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

17 Netflix movie downloads is about 5 GB.

I need more data than that.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other thing to say is that I have an existing month to month 3G verizon plan that costs $60.00/mo with a 5G cap. If I can buy the new Verizon 3G4G modem for a $100.00 and get the same 3G plan at $50.00 without signing a contract, it pays back in 10 months, with the added bonus that any overages are billed at a penny a MB instead of a nickle. Even if I get the same 3 G speeds. Or I can get 10GB/mo for $80.00. Which means my break even point is 7 GB/mo. instead of 5.4/GB/mo.

Either way, arguably better options than I have now. But any contract is a deal killer for me. And tee hee hee, I can visit my mommy 40 miles away and get 4G speeds. How long I can still stand playing darling sonny boy is another question.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deal Killer for you..


Verizon will require you to sign a 2 year contract to get the 3G/4G modem for $100 and $50/mo
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VZ4G is fast, how fast? If you wanted to blow through your monthly data cap, it would take you 32 minutes, see:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2373767,00.asp
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
Deal Killer for you..


Verizon will require you to sign a 2 year contract to get the 3G/4G modem for $100 and $50/mo


That's bad news for some, but do you know (or have a guess) if it will be possible apply an *existing grandfathered* plan ($60/month) to a Verizon 3G/4G modem (apparently not the case for Sprint, but haven't been able to find an answer RE Verizon)?
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