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Victor Site Admin
Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 155
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: MBR1200-Bugs found in Static IP Assignment Firmware 1.6.3 |
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If you are like many that are looking to get the most out of the New CradlePoint MBR1200 router, you may want to look at this post a little further for one of the advertised features may not be working properly and can put a real damper on your operation.
We refer to this firmware bug as: WAN port not passing packets over port 80 with a static IP address specified
-WAN or Dual WAN capabilities
This feature is affected in applications where the WAN port or the secondary WAN port MUST be configured with a static IP address. We have had several customer call in with complaints that on multiple computers on the network, the router is reachable via a ping and even sees the public internet in that same manner, where things fall short however is when you are looking to open a web browser to transfer web traffic on port 80.
You will find that this should ONLY affect those that are unable to connect to the router and allow either of the WAN ports to receive an IP address using DHCP. Most Cable Modems/DSL modem will offer this however if Static IP's are what your ISP provides to your location, chances are you will also be affected. The MBR1200 will simply not take the IP addressing well causing the routing to hiccup with Port 80 traffic.
This does not affect cards plugged into other ports on the router only the WAN port and Lan port 4 in WAN mode. To recreate this issue simply specify an IP in the BASIC/WAN section and connect an ISP to the WAN port. You can ping out and DNS resolves but nothing else works at that point.
VPN over Wifi
When attempting to connect a VPN software client through an MBR1200, only the Wired connections appear to work. If your application involves using a computer running a VPN Software client and connecting to the internet connection that is being provided by the MBR1200 router, you may want to look at an alternative Cradlepoint router model like the MBR1000. If your computer will be connected to the router over ethernet, you should not have any issues with this.
These features have been found to be rather necessary in more enterprise applications and may want to consider an alternate router selection if your application will require one of these features.
We are hoping to see these issues corrected in the near future, however there is no specified timeline that has been given as to when these major bugs in the firmware will be corrected.
If you have recently found this post and are unsure if this firmware issue will cause grief for your application, I would advise either e-mailing our friendly associates in sales or support so that we can determine if the MBR1200 will be right for your application.
If anyone else has purchased MBR1200 routers and have either had these same issues or have alternative gotten applications such as this to work, we encourage you to reply to this post so that we may share the information with the engineers at Cradlepoint that are hopefully working on a resolution to these repeat issues. _________________ - Victor |
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Llama EVDO Junkie
Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 249 Location: Northern VA
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: MBR1200-Bugs found in Static IP Assignment Firmware 1.6. |
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| Victor wrote: | VPN over Wifi
When attempting to connect a VPN software client through an MBR1200, only the Wired connections appear to work. | Can we get a little more clarification on this issue? I am currently posting from my MacBook Pro on 10.6.2 using the built in Cisco VPN connectoid over WiFi, through my MRB1200 running firmware 1.6.3, 2009/09/08. Service is Sprint, card is Novatel EX720.
I am able to get to my corporate email and internal websites without any problem. If I were not able to get in, this would be a dealbreaker, so I guess I feel lucky.
If there is something else I should check or if I totally misunderstood the bug, please let me know or delete my post to reduce the clutter.  _________________ --Larry |
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RealtimeBid EVDO Newbie
Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Posts: 1
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: MBR1200-Bugs found in Static IP Assignment Firmware 1.6. |
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To all (especially Cradlepoint support),
At first glance the MBR1200 was the "perfect" device for my vehicle-based mobile application.
However, this BUG IS REDICULOUS!!!!! IMHO this product should never have been released as is.
| Victor wrote: |
We refer to this firmware bug as: WAN port not passing packets over port 80 with a static IP address specified
-WAN or Dual WAN capabilities
This feature is affected in applications where the WAN port or the secondary WAN port MUST be configured with a static IP address. We have had several customer call in with complaints that on multiple computers on the network, the router is reachable via a ping and even sees the public internet in that same manner, where things fall short however is when you are looking to open a web browser to transfer web traffic on port 80.
The MBR1200 will simply not take the IP addressing well causing the routing to hiccup with Port 80 traffic.
This does not affect cards plugged into other ports on the router only the WAN port and Lan port 4 in WAN mode. To recreate this issue simply specify an IP in the BASIC/WAN section and connect an ISP to the WAN port. You can ping out and DNS resolves but nothing else works at that point.
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I just recently purchased over $3000 worth of MBR1200s and related accessories from the 3G store. I was extremely excited to get these up and running for some test trials bfore i purchased an additional 50+ (fifty+!!) MBR1200s and accessories for a large vehicle fleet....and now I am extremely dissappointed because of this bug!!!
I had the 1st unit running for no more than 5 mins before i discovered this bug as an end user. How could this have slipped past quality control???? What a horrible example of a "premature product release", or at least "insufficiant firmware testing"
One would think that this is the most basic of setups, and how this never got caught by cradlepoint just baffles me....such a shame
For the most part, i have heard very positive reviews of CP in the past, especially when compared to TopGlobal and Kyocera. The are supposed to be one of the "best" ones around for issueing firmware updats and bug fixes.....we shall see....for this serious of a bug, i would expect that they would jump on it right away. Isn't the MBR1200 their newest "flagship" anyways???
Within the first 5 mins, i set up the LAN IP, and because my application requires it, immeadiatly setup a static WAN IP. I never even tested it with a DHCP WAN setup because my application specifically calls for it to be static....for Hops/metric reasons.
The application is for vehicles which are based at a large facility with an outdoor wifi-mesh network that covers almost 500 acres. Audio and video are streamed from each vehicle out to the internet. The main avenue of communication is the Wi-fi mesh, with cellular air-cards being the backup for failover. Because of the extremely complex Layer3 network, there are many VLANs, routers, and thus hops/metrics become a serious concern. Having another router to hand out DHCP for the WAN side of the MBR1200 is just not feasible at all, as it would throw another hop in the mix and latency/timing issues would be sure to show up.
The 3G store has worked on trying to get an answer from cradlepoint on this issue, with no definitive answer as of yet. I do not hold the 3G store accountable for this what so ever, they have been nothing but helpful (and equally as frustrated).
This is (going to be) a deal breaker for me for sure, unless i hear that there is a bug fix in an upcomming beta firmware release.... This will translate to a big revenue loss for both Cradlepoint and possible the 3G store ($275x60 units = $16,500) who i am sure is one of CPs biggest customers/allies.
Not only will i be FORCED to return $3000 worth of an otherwise AWESOME product back to the 3G store, if this cant get fixed in the next month i will NOT be purchasing the other 50+ MBR1200s that i need for this fleet.
Cradlepoint, PLEASE PLEASE fix this rediculously simple bug ASAP....
Otherwise, its "PepWave/DigiWAN/TopGlobal, here i come"
Disappointed,
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Llama EVDO Junkie
Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 249 Location: Northern VA
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Any update on either of these issues? I must be misunderstanding the VPN one, so I guess I'm just curious to see how/when Cradlepoint responds. _________________ --Larry |
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HenryAZ EVDO Newbie
Joined: 31 Mar 2009 Posts: 6 Location: near Wickenburg AZ
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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I was considering upgrading my MBR1000 to MBR1200 until I saw this post. I did call Cradlepoint support, and they confirmed an issue with static IP assignments to the ethernet WAN ports. They describe the problem as the interface not rebuilding itself correctly when this type of configuration is applied. Also, that the static IP assigned gets bonded to both ethernet WAN ports.
Since I was looking to load balance two ethernet WAN ports, one with static and one with dynamic, I chose not to upgrade at this time.
Cradlepoint said they are working on the fix, and hope to have it out in the "next month" or so. They also said that the first firmware upgrade to the MBR1200 will need to be done via USB flash or web download. The local file upload option will not work until after the upgrade (another bug). |
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JeepNaked EVDO Fledgling
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 17
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the update Henry.. It's been awhile since this 'If I use static IPs with my MBR1200, I can't surf the web' problem.
I am quite surprised it has not be addressed sooner. Now knowing that the bug includes an inability to update from a file upload leaves a person to wonder about their quality control and ability to test/fix things.
I hope my MBR1200 doesn't go the way of my KR1... a decent device but turned to crap for lack of support.
I had called 3GStore tech support as a pre-sales step and talked about getting the MBR1200 but was not told about this issue. I did experience it myself but am able to use DHCP for now but was kind of irked I was not alerted about the issue since that *is* why I was calling. |
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Michael Site Admin
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 5626 Location: Cary, IL
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| JeepNaked wrote: | | I had called 3GStore tech support as a pre-sales step and talked about getting the MBR1200 but was not told about this issue. I did experience it myself but am able to use DHCP for now but was kind of irked I was not alerted about the issue since that *is* why I was calling. |
Jeep, did you purchase your MBR1200 from 3Gstore? I couldn't find an order for you. _________________ EVDO :: EVDO News :: EVDO Antennas :: Buy Verizon :: Buy Sprint :: EVDO Amplifier |
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JeepNaked EVDO Fledgling
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 17
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I bought it from 3GStore. I don't think my purchase is linked to my online account here.
| Michael wrote: | | JeepNaked wrote: | | I had called 3GStore tech support as a pre-sales step and talked about getting the MBR1200 but was not told about this issue. I did experience it myself but am able to use DHCP for now but was kind of irked I was not alerted about the issue since that *is* why I was calling. |
Jeep, did you purchase your MBR1200 from 3Gstore? I couldn't find an order for you. |
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JeepNaked EVDO Fledgling
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 17
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Its been a month.... no support follow up.
I'm quite dismayed at the lack of updates of any info on this forum. |
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ssciarrino EVDO Newbie
Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Hmm any update? I'm getting a static IP on My 3g card think I will have a problem?? Has anyone tested that?
thanks |
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HenryAZ EVDO Newbie
Joined: 31 Mar 2009 Posts: 6 Location: near Wickenburg AZ
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ssciarrino wrote: | Hmm any update? I'm getting a static IP on My 3g card think I will have a problem?? Has anyone tested that?
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I would suggest calling Cradlepoint technical support. That is where I got confirmed information before, and they were very helpful. I have not followed up (to see if the firmware upgrade fixes the IP bonding issue), because I have moved in another direction with a router for load balancing. |
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