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WRT54g3Gv1or v2-ST dual-WAN load-balancing

 
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powrby4d
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: WRT54g3Gv1or v2-ST dual-WAN load-balancing Reply with quote

Has anyone figured out a way to use multiple Sprint EVDO connections as dual WAN interfaces that load-balance? I am more interested in a way to use two routers with individual cards than one router with multiple cards as I want to achieve both load-balancing for greater throughput and fail-over in case either router/card has trouble. I've already got multiple WRT54G3G routers and s720 cards but not sure how to configure them. It did occur to me that I could (at least with the v2 router) put one router on the WAN port of the other router such that I'd get auto fail-over but that doesn't allow me to take advantage of increasng total throughput by using both. Ideas?

I know some routers can load-balance but would like to de-risk problems with any one router having trouble as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well...

If your using cards from the same provider, or cards that will roam onto the same tower... there is almost no point in doing this.

Most towers are only fed by a single T1, so the maximum speed shared between all users will be ~1.2Mbps after overhead and what the telco reserves for themselves.

.. So it would not matter if you had 5 cards in a load balance scenario, the max speed you are going to get will not change.

Now, if you had say a Sprint and Verizon card, then you would see some actual results.

Also, I would try and sell your routers on Ebay and pickup a Cradlepoint MBR1000, as it is much more stable then the linksys sprint routers, and can have 3 active cards. (2USB and 1 Express Card) connected at once, with load balancing.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point about the towers. I should have mentioned that in my application in order to get decent EVDO I have a grid antenna with an amplifier (highly directional) and a choice of two towers , each about 12 miles away, that are in essentially opposite directions, so each setup would be running a grid pointed in a different direction. I did find the Linksys RV042 router with dual WAN ports that I might be able to uplink into each WRT54G3G
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:47 am    Post subject: Multi-homing. Reply with quote

[quote="socksbb"]Well...

If your using cards from the same provider, or cards that will roam onto the same tower... there is almost no point in doing this.


Really?
I'm thinking about doing the same thing. Not for an increase in speed but keeping 4 or 5 users(small office) with some sort of bandwidth. The area we are in the Sprint cards are the only option for service.

I know that if the network on the office Linksys WRT54G3G-ST is slow, I can use another Sprint card in my laptop and get a better speed. If I add another router-sprint card combo, and I guess a linux box to set up a Multi-homed netowork your telling me it's pointless for what I'm wanting to accomplish being on the same tower?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in my opinion, you guys are going about this the very hard way.

two sprint devices, one each in a linksys, feeding another mutli-wan linksys, just to load balance and failover?

i can just imagine that PITA that support calls to linksys would be like if you tried asking for help. "good luck with that"

what's the easy way? -- i'd suggest you look at cradlepoint MBR1000 and load balancing with it instead: http://www.EVDOinfo.com/LB

of course, you'll need to switch from PCMCIA S720's to either both USB or expresscard and USB, in order to use an MBR1000

besides, pcmcia cards are a dying breed anyway
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The MBR1000 doesn't do what I needed to do, which is load balance packets - it only load balances distinct sessions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

powrby4d wrote:
The MBR1000 doesn't do what I needed to do, which is load balance packets - it only load balances distinct sessions.

load balance packets?? as in break up one stream/connection and send the information across two active cellular connections?

that sounds more like you are trying to accomplish "aggregation" or "bonding" of pipe, rather than "load balancing".... you'll not pull that off with a consumer-targeted router.

i've tested commercial ($4800) equipment that aggregates up to four cellular connections, and we plan on reselling them. PM or email if you are interested. (that price consists of head and client appliances)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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that sounds more like you are trying to accomplish "aggregation" or "bonding" of pipe, rather than "load balancing".... you'll not pull that off with a consumer-targeted router


The Cisco 800 series routers do it for about $300 on the low end (far lower used), but are more difficult to configure. For my VOIP application, however, there were too many timing issues for packet sequencing. More tolerant applications are less problematic.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:10 am    Post subject: Dual wan Reply with quote

powrby4d wrote:
The MBR1000 doesn't do what I needed to do, which is load balance packets - it only load balances distinct sessions.


Unless you can set up bonding at the head end (sprint) you can't do it anyway...from what I gather... Most https sessions go back to the same route or they are dropped and VOIP sessions do the same thing. I'm looking at pfsense. This works for me using the existing stuff I have. If I HAD usb or express cards I would go the MBR1000 route.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:09 am    Post subject: Dual wan Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
in my opinion, you guys are going about this the very hard way.

two sprint devices, one each in a linksys, feeding another mutli-wan linksys, just to load balance and failover?

i can just imagine that PITA that support calls to linksys would be like if you tried asking for help. "good luck with that"

what's the easy way? -- i'd suggest you look at cradlepoint MBR1000 and load balancing with it instead: http://www.EVDOinfo.com/LB

of course, you'll need to switch from PCMCIA S720's to either both USB or expresscard and USB, in order to use an MBR1000

besides, pcmcia cards are a dying breed anyway



Hi Alex,

PCMCIA dead? Great, I haven't had these cards long. Sounds like I'm SOL then.
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