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Bigdave
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| Joe C wrote: | "Bigdave"
If anyone acts all high and mighty on these forums it's you. My point was pretty simple, if enough people do this then Sprint will enforce stricter ToS and they will be no better then Verizon before we know it. If I came off harsh it's because I don't like the idea of other people screwing up a good thing for the rest of us. This doesn't make me an "internet cop" it makes me someone who voiced my opinion. If you don't like it then get over it.
On top of that, you pay for unlimited access and usage of Sprint's service per their ToS. I can almost guarantee that "renting" out a service that you don't actually own will violate their ToS. Also they clearly state that they can cancel you for just about any reason they want to.
Now, as far as having only a certain size pipe to work with, you are correct. Here's the thing though, while everyone may not be able to download a large file at 1200k at the same time, they still can use as much bandwidth as they please. Say one of these people you rent it out to happens to leave large files downloading every night. With just that ONE person you would have doubled your monthly usage. Basically, what I'm getting at is no matter how you look at it your usage is going to skyrocket compared to when it was just you, or even a family of 6. You are leaving your connection open to the possibility of constant 24/7 usage.
orbitalcomp and Species8472,
I can understand your reasons for wanting to do this, to an extent, so my only advice is to ask Sprint for explicit permission to do this and get a written response from them saying they agree to it. This should cover you in case they get unhappy in the future. Otherwise you run the risk of completely losing your connection if they decide to cancel you.
Good luck with whatever you decide. |
"joe"
Why are you allowed your opinion but you feel the need to call me names if I state mine? Apparently you were feeling "all high and mighty" because all I did was state my opinion that "I hate hearing (or reading) the "It's people like you" comments" . . . . . . and I still do. But I didn't even call you by name let alone call you names. I apologize if you felt I attacked you causing you to need to retaliate.
But as far as I can tell there's nothing to base the fear that "if enough people do this then Sprint will enforce stricter ToS and they will be no better then Verizon before we know it" and "the idea of other people screwing up a good thing for the rest of us" on. Verizon's policy didn't change because too many people actually thought unlimited meant unlimited. Their policy limited the usage to 5GB from the jump.
Until Sprint limits my unlimited account I guess I'm going to just have to "be one of those people" to people like you.
It's OK to disagree though and to have different opinions. Shoot, it's down right healthy IMHO and a huge part of what makes this country great! Let just maybe consider leaving the childish, little kid name calling to the little kids?  |
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Joe C
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Dave,
When exactly did I call you a name? If you are referring to when I said you were acting "all high and mighty", how is that any different then you saying I was acting "like i was the internet police" or now "childish". I'll admit, hindsight I did come off harsh, but my points are pretty valid.
If someone wants to do something like this, then I suggest you do as Species8472 did and keep an e-mail from your carrier giving you permission. This will hopefully cover all your bases in case they try to cancel you.
Bottom line is, we all pay for this service so I would like to think we can use it pretty freely, but I think this is probably pushing it. Give it a shot if you really want to, just try to cover your own "butt" with some sort of e-mail or written permission.
Good luck, and let us know how it turns out if you do try it. |
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Species8472
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry... hahahah did not want to be the root cause of a feud...
Species 8472 McCoy
O BTW Orbit started it hahah |
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orbitalcomp
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Species8472 wrote: | Sorry... hahahah did not want to be the root cause of a feud...
Species 8472 McCoy
O BTW Orbit started it hahah |
Yeah, I did start it, eh? Sorry to drag you into the middle of it Species...hahaha
My original question about offering rental access was just based on the fact that I have been to so many places that don't have free WiFi, which was the whole point of getting into mobile broadband. Since my KR1 is just about always with me, and I am not accessing it 24/7, there is basically data usage that I am paying for and entitled to within reason that I am not necessarily using. Sharing this access would make sense in certain situations, especially where there are no other wireless options for people. This is not something I would do all the time, maybe just when I'm out of town, set it up in the hotel room. Or when I go out to eat or to a movie, leave the router on in the car. I'd say two-thirds of the people in my apartment complex already have DSL, judging by all the '2WIREXXX' signals I can pick up on my computer, so it wouldn't be of much use there.
The kind of access I am talking about is just general web browsing, email, etc. No BitTorrent, no file servers, etc. I can't speak for Verizon, because I know they have a 'silent cap' on their plans, but I doubt Sprint sells the Linksys router thinking only one person and computer at a time is going to be using it, they know it's going to get decent usage because of the customer's needs. And they do know that they are getting about $1,500 or so from us over the course of our two-year contracts, plus the cost of the card and router, and I think that earns us a little extra leeway over someone who may just be using a $10 Vision add-on to do heavy tethering.
One analogy I keep thinking of, and maybe this is a bad one - is of season tickets for sporting events. When you buy season tickets for a team, that team expects you to use the tickets and not split them up and sell them to other people. But it happens all the time, people buy one package and share them, even mark up the prices sometime to make a profit. But guess what? The people go to the games, they buy snacks and drinks, souvenirs, and maybe even their own ticket package eventually. So the team loses nothing, in fact, probably does even a little better in the long run because they are getting extra exposure.
Same thing could apply here. Someone could share an EVDO connection and say, "Boy, that's neat...I had no idea there was such a thing available. Maybe I'll get a data card and plan of my own." Boom. Sprint or Verizon has another two-year customer in the fold. It's almost like free advertising for the carriers. I'm sure Sprint and Verizon would gladly trade a few megabytes of data for $1500+, they would be silly not to. |
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Bigdave
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orbitalcomp, That sounds pretty reasonable to me. I can't imagine you'd get many takers but hey, maybe you will. If you decide to give it a try be sure to let us know how it goes.
Species8472, no feud here as far as I'm concerned. Just two people with a difference of opinion. Not nearly as big a deal as it seemed. |
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Species8472
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Hey.. I remember when cable and phone companies charged you for each access point in your house even if you never used them. A ruling came down in some areas of the country that the outside of you home is the point of entry for your phone/cable signal and how you distribute it after that point is your choice. Not a problem with phone and many a person origianlly ran a line to the garage etc and along came cordless. Cable was a different issue. Neighbors started to run a line to their place and that was deemed stealing. Is it if the owner of that line is ok with it??? Dishnetwork allows for up to a certain number of receivers on an acct and many a person have one of those in their cottage, garage or even RV. Dish says this is a violation of the TOS. Yet they know it happens and in fact my brother asked if it was ok. They gave him an AOK and even followed up in writing.
I guess what I am saying is.... Sometimes we all push the rulz a little and every once in a while we get the back or our hands slapped. What Orbit and I (and others) are doing maybe pushing the rulz..... Then again we know there are peeps who are leaving their KR1 open and people are using tons of bandwidth gigs and gigs. Their systems are left unsecure and they have no idea what these peeps are downloading or uploading....
Why not ask sprint if they are OK with you opening up the signal on your router to others and see what they say? Of course make up a name hahah 
Species8472 Hatfield- j/k on the feud thing- interesting ethical discussions and everyone is allowed to say their words. Many Americans died to give us that right. |
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