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slyfly
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the MAXIMUM TCP Window Size one can set?

Now, I have it set to 256960 and it seems to give me greatest speed so far. I got this setting from TCPOptimizer optimal setting recommendation.
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jschurawlow
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TZ Connection Booster seems to have some decent optimal settings. After using that it did speedup overall benchmarking. Whether or not it remains at those speeds always and remains stable I'll be keeping my fingers crossed Smile
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rtpitts
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:38 pm    Post subject: re tcp tweak on EVDO PPC6700 Reply with quote

Interesting items here.. can you set the TCP on a PPC 6700 or only on the laptop that you are connected to?

In my kitchen last night I checked speed of using my PPC6700 as a wireless modem attached to my laptop..

I have an old rom version.. like 1.06 and nothing tweaked on my laptop

Download reported to be 700K upload at 100K not bad when I see that expected downloads with Rev A are in the area of 800K

Any thoughts?
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love2lounge2
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:02 am    Post subject: Which is the best TCP optomizer? Reply with quote

Any opinions on which is the best and user friendly TCP optomizer to use. Question

My current speeds are:

Speed Test Result
dslreports.com speed test 2006-10-26 12:18:04 EST:
871 / 65 (Kbps)
(106.3 / 7.9 KB/sec)
Compared to the average of 147 tests from spcsdns.net:
* download is 55% better, upload is 12% worse
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noobiedoobiedoo
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:11 pm    Post subject: SpeedTests inconsistant? Reply with quote

Am i the only one that notices the SpeedTests at dlsrerports differs drastically each time you run the test? I didn't try tweaking anything, just ran the test a few times in a row. Reception was in the -70s, anywhere from (1xEVDO): -71dBm to -74dBm, but my results were way off! I maxed out at 900+ DL and 100+ UP but get as low as 130DL and 38 UL!

Does any one else not notice this or does no one try multiple tests in a row? Perhaps I should try a different speedtest site?

s620 / Sprint / Los Angeles

thanks...
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love2lounge2
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:34 pm    Post subject: Re: SpeedTests inconsistant? Reply with quote

noobiedoobiedoo wrote:
Am i the only one that notices the SpeedTests at dlsrerports differs drastically each time you run the test? I didn't try tweaking anything, just ran the test a few times in a row. Reception was in the -70s, anywhere from (1xEVDO): -71dBm to -74dBm, but my results were way off! I maxed out at 900+ DL and 100+ UP but get as low as 130DL and 38 UL!

Does any one else not notice this or does no one try multiple tests in a row? Perhaps I should try a different speedtest site?

s620 / Sprint / Los Angeles

thanks...


My speeds have been consistent at this website:

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jackrodgers
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using SpeedTest.net on the hotel wifi I got

Ping: 94ms
Download: 1066 kbps
Upload: 809 kbps
Server: Orlando, FL

Connecting my Treo 700p as a USB modem ()
Ping: 365 ms
Download: 452 kbps
Upload: 101 kbps
Server: Orlando, FL

I have had 1010 downloads in other locations with the 700p.


Download the USB Modem software The page will give you full details.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: SpeedTests inconsistant? Reply with quote

love2lounge2 wrote:


My speeds have been consistent at this website:



Thanks! I'll try this site instead.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: SpeedTest innaccurate Reply with quote

Way better!! Thank again, love2lounge2.



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:07 am    Post subject: Re: SpeedTest innaccurate Reply with quote

noobiedoobiedoo wrote:
Way better!! Thank again, love2lounge2.





I also downloaded the TCP Optimizer v2.0.3 from Speedguide.net:
http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=192212

Launched it, clicked optimize, restarted and got this!



In my opinion this is the best TCP optimizer out there, AND ITS FREE!

Note: I know you'll be tempted to tweak the settings further but just optimize once and leave it alone. After you read and understand its included documentation; then you may have the confidence to tweak further.

ENJOY! Very Happy


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reasonpolice
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ray32 wrote:
but when you start the dr. tcp program, the value for this field is blank, so you don't know originally what it was if you need to put it back. anybody know what the default value was???


It was set to 64240 first time I opened it. Are the Dr. TCP changes reversable, and will they effect DSL/wireless performance (when I'm not using the V640)?


Why doesn't Verizon recommend this tweak?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

reasonpolice wrote:
ray32 wrote:
but when you start the dr. tcp program, the value for this field is blank, so you don't know originally what it was if you need to put it back. anybody know what the default value was???


It was set to 64240 first time I opened it. Are the Dr. TCP changes reversable, and will they effect DSL/wireless performance (when I'm not using the V640)?


Why doesn't Verizon recommend this tweak?


Forget about Dr. TCP.

Reset to original TCP settings, downloaded the TCP Optimizer v2.0.3 from Speedguide.net:
http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=192212

Launch it, clicked optimize, restart and your done! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm new to EVDO but not to computer and data transmission. I've read over this entire thread and I'm skeptical. First, I tried it on my machines and it didn't make any difference. Then it occurred to me "DOH" I bet they're doing this if they plug the aircard into the laptop directly... that MAY make a difference.

I'm using the card in a Kyocera router, Then several machines are sharing that connection. Making the TCP changes made really minuscule differences here... and that's logical. Someone said something about a funnel a few messages back. And that this Dr TCP changes the funnel size. Actually shouldn't be true - though the scoop of data may be bigger with a larger TCP send/receive window - the actual "line/connection" with the aircard and router are the funnel, not the computer. Even a slow computer will be faster than 1000mbps EVDO. Changing the size of the window or data scoop in the computers TCP really should make very little difference. The only performance increase of "less wasted talk between computer and card or computer and router. I made the change and all I could see is that the data send/received during a upload or download was a larger amount of data. Since the scoop of data is larger, there is less ACK/NAK chatter between host and client. Less chatter between scoops means more work done and less chatter between the two sources. So more work done with less chatter using a larger scoop for the data will show some performance increase. But really MINUSCULE!

In some instances - making the scoop of data being transferred will SLOW the performance... for example if the system has a poor connection and needs to resend data packets (I'm calling scoops here) because if noise, static, interference... etc. Is the line/connection is poor, then more packets of data will have to be RESENT - and since the packet sizes are larger, this will slow performance. (as some say they've had happen here). I suspect they have poor connections, low bars or other sorts of interference.

On the other hand - those that can benifet from a larger packet (those with clean transmissions will see a tiny bit of performance increase). Those here that are claiming massive improvments are just mistaken and are getting better results due to other reasons. (connection, signal strength etc. I wrote xmodem and smodem transfer protocol programs back in the 80's for CP/80 machines and going to larger packets was a bit of a performance enhancement, but not if their were errors from noisey phone lines. If several packets went through without errors I programmed in that it would step up to a larger packet (which is what this setting changes) and it would increase performance a bit. If the packet was then to big and the checksum was incorrect the packet had to be sent again and after a resend took place, the transfer protocol would fall back to the smaller packet (smaller scoop of data) size which made the host and client talk more often between smaller packets.

Even still - as I sat and through about it. Even with the aircard in the LAPTOP - you're only changing your scoop size in the laptop to the card. The card still needs to exchange data packets with the cell tower and using a larger scoop on your laptop isn't going to increase bandwidth to and from the cell tower. A poor connection there - means more noise, static, drop outs, more errors for each packet of data sent. This is why I experienced SLOW data rates with my setup downstairs getting only 3 bars of signal, yet my signal upstairs was 7 bars and my data rate increased about 8-10 times what it was at 3 bars. More signal means less interference and less interference means fewer -retransmissions of the same data packets- So it's only logical that a better signal will increase speed, where as poor signal means more errors and as a result more re-sends of the same data packets. (SLOWER bandwidth).

sorry for the ramblings - just thinking out loud, but honestly - changing this setting isn't going to do much and only for those that have a excellent connection already. just my 2 cents.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rojoyinc wrote:
I'm new to EVDO but not to computer and data transmission. I've read over this entire thread and I'm skeptical.
...
sorry for the ramblings - just thinking out loud, but honestly - changing this setting isn't going to do much and only for those that have a excellent connection already. just my 2 cents.


No need to apologize. My opinion is that you are just raising reasonable objections to 'popular wisdom', which in this case is not correct. With as many factors entering device throughput, as there are for EVDO, a lot of what is believed to be true isn't true for the stated reasons or isn't true at all.

Another example of this is in the domain of adding external amplifers; preamplifiers for receive and power amplifiers for transmit, for the purpose of improving performance of a well designed handset. Unless system noise figure is ctually improved or transmit power increases - and sometimes not even in those cases - performance only gets worse.

For external components, the big win is in quality, well placed external antennas. However, even there, some people espouse that there is a difference between the signals delivered different antenna types, say a Yagi and another type, a parabolic reflector having the same gain.

As you noted, particularly for low/poor signal conditions things can get complex. Not only are ACKs and resends an issue, but the negotiated data rates can move all over the place. Even in the normally-higher-performing downstream direction, EVDO can backoff all the way down to 38 kbps before throwing in the towel. Toss in self-interference, intermodulation distortion and multiple-user contention and things can be very hard to analyze. However, that doesn't prevent a lot of home-spun "wisdom" from developing and even the generation of considerable after-market sales around it.

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litwav
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: omni directional antenna Reply with quote

Bought a omni directional antenna from booster antenna and my signal pick up to 4 bars from 2 (41%-78%).
Only getting 1RX CDMA reception, but the end of this month will have EVDO
from Alltel. Upgrading the towers as we speak, shoud be online by end of month according to Alltel. I was getting peak download speeds of only 70
now gettin max at times of 144.
Will pernamently set antenna up on roof this week end, should get even better reception. Will check back for a update next week. KPC 650
is the card I'm using by the way.
Went with EVDO because only have dial-up in my area right now. kind of live in the woods ya know. I have 2 towers about 10 miles away from me, 1 NW
and the other SE of my home. With the antenna and set up using my router
to network my home to 3 puters. Hope to get the EVDO router next month
but until then using my laptop ICS for the other puters to get online.
I have to use the hardwire connection ICS because can't get it to work on my wireless 802. thru the router (belkin). Hey its better than dial-up anyway just wanted to let it be known.
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