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Jaydbo EVDO Newbie
Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 3 Location: Sutherland, VA
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | It's really sad, if you think about it; besides the upload issue, the WRT54G3G-ST is a great router... |
And besides that pesky volcano, Krakatoa was a swell place to live!  _________________ time2matter |
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evdo-wizard EVDO Heavy User
Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 125
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I don't think that Sprint had anything to do with the firmware or the router other than licensing, so I wouldn't blame it on them.
Linksys just makes piss-poor firmware, which is why there are at least 5 alternative firmwares for their most popular router, the WRT54G. The only reason that Linksys routers are semi-decent is because their firmware uses the Linux kernel. All that Linksys does to make their firmware is take a Linux kernel and pile their crap on top of it.
But putting all of this aside, I still like Linksys routers because from a hardware standpoint they are very capable, and most of all because you can put alternative firmware on them. |
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Nighthawke70 EVDO Heavy User
Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 104
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Linksys furnished the hardware, Sprint generated the firmware for the hardware. Buggy stuff at that too! |
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evdo-wizard EVDO Heavy User
Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 125
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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where do you get that idea? I honestly want to know why everybody thinks Sprint made the firmware for this router. They had nothing to do with it. How do I know that? Well, for one, look at the European version of the router, called just the WRT54G3G:
Taken from a european review site:
Did Sprint make that firmware too? In the actual source code of the wrt54g3g-st 2.0.0.9 firmware, there are references to Verizon, T-Mobile, and the 3G cards that the European version supports. Do you really think that Sprint would add support for Verizon's cards?
Heres are some snippets from source code:
| Code: | #if LINKSYS_MODEL == WRT54GV5
#define WEB_PAGE "verizon_wrt54g_en"
#elif LINKSYS_MODEL == RTA41
#define WEB_PAGE "verizon_wrt54g_en" |
This even shows that Linksys would have made a Verizon version, but verizon obviously didn't accept the agreement.
| Code: | /pcmcia_test.asp/1.1.2.1/Thu Jun 30 02:15:15 2005//Twrt54g3g
/style.css/1.1/Thu Dec 16 00:51:05 2004//Twrt54g3g
/sw_info.asp/1.1.2.2/Thu Aug 25 02:33:34 2005//Twrt54g3g
D/help////
D/image////
D/verizon//// |
An empty directory for verizon in the web interface
| Code: | extern int ping_onload(webs_t wp, char *arg);
extern int traceroute_onload(webs_t wp, char *arg);
/* for verizon */
/* for all */
extern int ej_onload(int eid, webs_t wp, int argc, char_t **argv);
extern int ej_get_web_page_name(int eid, webs_t wp, int argc, char_t **argv);
extern int ej_compile_date(int eid, webs_t wp, int argc, char_t **argv); |
An empty section for verizon in source code
I think that you can even pull up a Vodaphone logo off of any WRT54G3G-ST.. i'm not sure since I don't have Linksys firmware on my router, but its definitely in the source code:
You might be able to find it hidden on your web configuration page here:
http://192.168.1.1/image/site_logo.gif
The fact is, that several verizon cards are supported and work with the wrt54g3g-st (such as the KPC650), but only Sprint is advertised because they are the only wireless company that has a TOS flexible enough for 3G routers. Verizon would never support a commercial router, they cancel users for only 5gb monthly!
The only reason that this router is affiliated with Sprint is for marketing. So to all of you who are disappointed with the firmware on this router... whine to Linksys, not Sprint. |
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Fox McCloud EVDO Junkie
Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 595
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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edit: Blast! You found your mistake! An man, was I hoping that that REALLY clunky laptop was the newest router on the market.
All jokes aside, you do bring up a good point.
The question is, does the WRT54G3G suffer from the same upload issues that the Sprint version does? |
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evdo-wizard EVDO Heavy User
Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 125
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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haha the pictures just magically changed on me.. I thought it was a joke that the admins were playing on me, but no the picture actually changed to an old computer.
I would bet that the wrt54g3g suffers from the same exact issues. I could find out for sure by downloading the source code for the european wrt54g3g, but thats ~200mb that I don't feel like dealing with.
And, I guess it's a hard point to get across, but there is no Sprint version of the firmware. I've looked around enough in the source code and tinkered with it enough to know that Sprint didn't make the firmware. I mean, I guess its not impossible but I find it very very unlikely. Of course you might not of meant it that way... but I'm just making sure.
Blame Linksys for all your router problems . |
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Fox McCloud EVDO Junkie
Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 595
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| evdo-wizard wrote: | haha the pictures just magically changed on me.. I thought it was a joke that the admins were playing on me, but no the picture actually changed to an old computer.
I would bet that the wrt54g3g suffers from the same exact issues. I could find out for sure by downloading the source code for the european wrt54g3g, but thats ~200mb that I don't feel like dealing with.
And, I guess it's a hard point to get across, but there is no Sprint version of the firmware. I've looked around enough in the source code and tinkered with it enough to know that Sprint didn't make the firmware. I mean, I guess its not impossible but I find it very very unlikely. Of course you might not of meant it that way... but I'm just making sure.
Blame Linksys for all your router problems . |
sorry, I was under the impression that Sprint collaborated with Linksys on the firmware; I guess I was wrong (as are a LOT of Linksys and Sprint employees who keep spreading the same, exact information).
I just have to wonder why in the heck Linksys screwed up so badly; their regular WRT54G is known to be an incredibly stable router (even with the default firmware). Perhaps they just haven't had a whole lot of experience in dealing with non networking products? *shrug*
I would, however, in the future, be interested to see if the WRT54G3G has the same problems as the WRT54G3G-St. |
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laserone EVDO User
Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 29
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| If it makes anyone feel better... the beta firmware is crap just like the original. |
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Fox McCloud EVDO Junkie
Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 595
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| laserone wrote: | | If it makes anyone feel better... the beta firmware is crap just like the original. |
I generally agree; I found it only pushes up the limit of the upload speed by 100k...
I think I'll be using OpenWRT for a lloonngg time. |
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laserone EVDO User
Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 29
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Thats more than I saw with the beta firmware. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get OpenWRT to play nice with my PC5750 on Alltel. I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing wrong in the configuration or what but it won't hold a connection. |
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glacierjima EVDO Heavy User
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 113 Location: North. Kentucky
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I got a call from an escalation manager just a little bit ago..besides giving me the old BS lines as normal...I FINALLY got someone to admit that the fix is in Beta and that "he is being told that it will be available to the public around mid-September"
That's what I've been told..believe it or not..not my decision..just a stupid messenger... |
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Michael Site Admin
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 5021 Location: Cary, IL
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Was that a Sprint escalation manager or LinkSys/Cisco?
Here is what I know...
Yes, LinkSys writes the firmware, BUT Sprint is their customer and they are the ones that request fixes and updates from LinkSys.
When this thread started, I contacted our contacts at Cisco and they said the request for the update has to come from Sprint and that the request has yet to happen. I followed up last week and the request still wasn't made by Sprint.
Not really sure who to believe or exactly what is going on.
I am escalating this with some people I know at Sprint that usually can get issues resolved quickly.
I hope that this doesn't come down to Sprint not making the request. _________________ EVDO :: EVDO News :: EVDO Antennas :: Buy Verizon :: Buy Sprint :: EVDO Amplifier |
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glacierjima EVDO Heavy User
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 113 Location: North. Kentucky
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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this was a call from Cisco that I received. He made similar statements also, or at least in the same line. What he told me was, because there were multiple companies involved in the service for this to work, they had to get permission before they did this (ie ..my guess Sprint), so that might have been what happened.
So..in learning a lesson and reading between the lines, even though it is a Linksys router, and they do the code..it sounds like in fact, they are a "Customer" it's self of Sprint, instead of being "partners" which is the way I was looking at it. Does that sound like the way the setup is then? |
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Llama EVDO Junkie
Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 179
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: Beta ever ending? |
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Michael, did Sprint ever get back to you regarding the status of their beta firmware? Sure has been a long test with a tightly controlled test group; surely something must be happening.
Of course, other events, QoS fix, multiple 3rd party firmware lines, have made it less pressing, but some official word from the OEM would be nice. _________________ --Larry |
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glacierjima EVDO Heavy User
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 113 Location: North. Kentucky
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: |
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I just sent an email to the person in Cisco that I've been exchanging email's with and here is what he just replied with:
They found a new bug and it got sent back to be fixed.
Looks like another 6 months..maybe when wimax comes out..it will be fixed |
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