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MaximumSignal
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Location: Cheektowaga, NY
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 Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Roof antenna? |
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| brungermeister wrote: | Same general question...
Iin my house I only get 1 bar, but outside on my roof I get a solid 5 bars. What is the best way to get that full signal? Seems like a booster would only be a middle ground between 1 & 5 bars. Is there a way to wire to a roof, will low loss? (50ft)
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You would need a Dual band amplifier kit with a good dual Band antenna outside . Our Trucker antenna or Yagi will do the trick |
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boater805
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: Re: Roof antenna? |
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| MaximumSignal wrote: | | brungermeister wrote: | Same general question...
Iin my house I only get 1 bar, but outside on my roof I get a solid 5 bars. What is the best way to get that full signal? Seems like a booster would only be a middle ground between 1 & 5 bars. Is there a way to wire to a roof, will low loss? (50ft)
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You would need a Dual band amplifier kit with a good dual Band antenna outside . Our Trucker antenna or Yagi will do the trick |
Not true at all. For a fixed location you probably don't need a dual band anything. It may be just as economical to go the dual band route, but if you're not moving around and the source tower(s) for your signal at your fixed location is only a single frequency (800 or 1900) then a matching antenna and amp for that single freq. is all you need. This will provide a somewhat higher signal (since the antenna and amp are tuned narrower and therefore don't allow as much off band noise in. I use a 1900 mhz band amplified inbuilding repeater for my boat and it works just fine since 1900 mhz is the source signal where I keep my boat and all thru where I cruise. This avoids noise in the out of band that the dual band would let in and it does give me the benefit of being able to move all around the boat with it since its a repeater and needs no hard wired connection to the card.
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MaximumSignal
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Roof antenna? |
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| boater805 wrote: | | MaximumSignal wrote: | | brungermeister wrote: | Same general question...
Iin my house I only get 1 bar, but outside on my roof I get a solid 5 bars. What is the best way to get that full signal? Seems like a booster would only be a middle ground between 1 & 5 bars. Is there a way to wire to a roof, will low loss? (50ft)
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You would need a Dual band amplifier kit with a good dual Band antenna outside . Our Trucker antenna or Yagi will do the trick |
Not true at all. For a fixed location you probably don't need a dual band anything. It may be just as economical to go the dual band route, but if you're not moving around and the source tower(s) for your signal at your fixed location is only a single frequency (800 or 1900) then a matching antenna and amp for that single freq. is all you need. This will provide a somewhat higher signal (since the antenna and amp are tuned narrower and therefore don't allow as much off band noise in. I use a 1900 mhz band amplified inbuilding repeater for my boat and it works just fine since 1900 mhz is the source signal where I keep my boat and all thru where I cruise. This avoids noise in the out of band that the dual band would let in and it does give me the benefit of being able to move all around the boat with it since its a repeater and needs no hard wired connection to the card. |
Boater sorry - If you think a single band amplifier provides more power than a dual band you have no idea how they work . The amplifier seeks the signal as directed by the handset or device . The dual band provides the maximum power allowed by the FCC in each frequency . 3 watts on 800 mhz and 2 watts on 1900. I always suggest dual band as most of Verizons towers are currently on 800 but future expansion expecially EVDo is moving to 1900 that way they are covered for both . By the way you are one of the few people that has an success with the Wireless Extender units . All, I hear is dissapointment from end users and retailers . I suggest Michael contact the Wireless Extender people and do a non biased review of the product . And they only offer single band units |
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Jimincalifornia
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: |
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The MaxSig dual-band for about $200 all told is one hell of a deal. It is "for real" - I went from totally no connect to a fair EVDO with nothing but that and two of the crummiest external antennas out there. MaxSig has a good rep around here for a reason, his stuff *works*.
There's no single-band inline booster in the same price ballpark. |
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boater805
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Roof antenna? |
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| MaximumSignal wrote: |
You would need a Dual band amplifier kit with a good dual Band antenna outside . Our Trucker antenna or Yagi will do the trick |
Boater sorry - If you think a single band amplifier provides more power than a dual band you have no idea how they work . The amplifier seeks the signal as directed by the handset or device . The dual band provides the maximum power allowed by the FCC in each frequency . 3 watts on 800 mhz and 2 watts on 1900. I always suggest dual band as most of Verizons towers are currently on 800 but future expansion expecially EVDo is moving to 1900 that way they are covered for both . By the way you are one of the few people that has an success with the Wireless Extender units . All, I hear is dissapointment from end users and retailers . I suggest Michael contact the Wireless Extender people and do a non biased review of the product . And they only offer single band units[/quote]
Sure, independent tests are a great idea. I don't own or sell anything to do with amps, repeaters, antennas, etc except as a retail consumer. I don't have any dog in this hunt except to see that this site gives accurate info. And your assertion that the user NEEDS YOUR AMP AND dual band directional yagi's is just not so. He MAY need them. But his report of 5 bars at the exterior antenna point and a long run from there indicates he needs minimal help with reception and maximum help with the 50 cable run. That means an amp near the external antenna to boost is his signal before its pumped down the 50 foot cable run.
Sure, I only hear good things about your equipment and have no quibble with it. As to me being the only one who you've heard that has had luck with a repeater ... except for you I haven't heard of anyone with problems with them. You have said many times and places you have tested them, but you have never provided a side by side comparison of them running and showing the head to head bandwidth test results. That is afterall the bottom line ... getting the best data rate pumped thru the blackbox of technology. My side by side tests were reported for ARC freedom antenna used in-cabin on the boat vs the ext. antenna - 35 ft cable run - amp'd repeater - card in laptop. Bottom line is that for me i got good results. Others may very. But I do report my actual results of what I get and what I'm comparing. If you have done the same here with repeaters then I missed it.
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Scott
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Come on guys... you're both right.
Dual band amplifiers make economic sense if you need an amplifier, especially if you are mobile and will be encountering 850 Mhz and 1900 Mhz frequencies (Verizon or Cingular... Sprint is only 1900 MHz aka 'PCS'). Its a larger expense so buying just one dual-band makes sense. And yes, the amplifier only attempts to boost the communication frequency in use... they are supposed to actively sense and 'ride gain', in that regard.
On the other hand, if you have a fixed location, then it does make sense to find out the frequency and get an antenna for THAT location. An antenna tuned to a specific band is a more efficient antenna. That is the first thing the signal hits, not the amplifier. Increasing a specific frequency with an antenna will help the amplifier do its job better.
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bobowill
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: EVDO with booster amplifier |
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I am moving to a remote area where I only have 1 bar on my Verizon phone. I would like to have the ability to receive Broadband and a better phone signal. I am looking at a signal booster ( something like a Wilson 50dB in-building amplifier/repeater kit for cellular frequencies 824-894MHz) http://www.primecellular.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=3&Page=2
. This kit also comes with a Yagi antenna and a polarized dome antenna that acts as an in house cell tower, so I would not have to have any wires to my EVDO card or my cell phones. I would like to know if any one else is using this set up and if the the freqs (824-894 Mhz) are OK for Broadband or National Access or would I also need to be able to amplifiy the 1900 Mhz range.
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diabolos88
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2006-02-09 03:33:18 EST: 418 / 121
my download speed : 418 kbps or 52.3 KB/sec.
my upload speed : 121 kbps or 15.1 KB/sec.
I use a Voodoo laptop, VZ620 card, and usually have 2-3 bars w/AntennaBooster. Without it, EVDO would beworthless in my area(Phoenix,AZ)
So for me the Booster Antenna really works, but unfortunately my antenna connector has broken. Is there anywhere I can buy a replacement connector tip? (the metal piece that goes into the card.) or just the cable that attaches to the antenna cable since the connector is attached to this end cable? |
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WPSANTENNAS-MATT
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Location: Rochester Minnesota
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:15 am Post subject: Re: EVDO with booster amplifier |
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| bobowill wrote: | I am moving to a remote area where I only have 1 bar on my Verizon phone. I would like to have the ability to receive Broadband and a better phone signal. I am looking at a signal booster ( something like a Wilson 50dB in-building amplifier/repeater kit for cellular frequencies 824-894MHz) http://www.primecellular.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=3&Page=2
. This kit also comes with a Yagi antenna and a polarized dome antenna that acts as an in house cell tower, so I would not have to have any wires to my EVDO card or my cell phones. I would like to know if any one else is using this set up and if the the freqs (824-894 Mhz) are OK for Broadband or National Access or would I also need to be able to amplifiy the 1900 Mhz range.
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Bobwill
The 800 Mhz repeater model 801105 with the appropriate cable, Yagi high gain antenna and dome interior antenna will work just fine as long as you are confident in the frequency being used in your area.
There is a dual band in home wireless repeater available from Digital Antenna called the DA4000SBR. This may be the answer to your problems, however for the system to function properly you need to have a minimum of -70 dB of signal on the roof of your home.
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Jimincalifornia
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Or you could buy the Intelligain dual-band amp from Maximumsignal or others for $200 and save at least $300.
I'm running that with just cheapo window-stickum antennas and it's working great, decent signal now as compared to absolute zilch without...
(My setup involves a KPC650 card, I use the boosted antenna on recieve (white plug) unboosted on transmit.) |
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WPSANTENNAS-MATT
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Jimincalifornia
It appears that Bobowill was interested in a solution that was wireless and did not require any phone or wireless card connection.
I think your setup is one that connects directly to the card.
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Jimincalifornia
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Ah. Well...yeah, OK, but...the wired thing is SO much cheaper  . |
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bobowill
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| Thanks for the info. I guess I need to verify what frequency I'm receiving. I know the cheapest way would be to hook -up an antenna to my card, but the boss (wife) said that if she was going to have to use her cell phone to talk, she wasn't going to be tied to a leash. |
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Scott
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One potential speed bump is nearby 900 MHz home phones.
In a recent test that I conducted a repeater system (just antennas connected to an amplifier) didn't seem to get along with a 900 MHz landline phone nearby. I could place calls mobile to mobile in the 'amplified' area (yes delay and all), or use a wireless data card, yet when I placed a call to the 900MHz landline phone sitting near my test area, my calls would drop. Unplugging the 900 MHz phone solved it. Calling a wired landline was fine.
Seems as soon as the 900 MHz phone's base station started polling the handset to ring, the call would drop. Don't know if the 900 MHz landline phone was the culprit or the dual-antenna amp/repeater setup. I do know that is was repeatable.
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MaximumSignal
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Scott wrote: | One potential speed bump is nearby 900 MHz home phones.
In a recent test that I conducted a repeater system (just antennas connected to an amplifier) didn't seem to get along with a 900 MHz landline phone nearby. I could place calls mobile to mobile in the 'amplified' area (yes delay and all), or use a wireless data card, yet when I placed a call to the 900MHz landline phone sitting near my test area, my calls would drop. Unplugging the 900 MHz phone solved it. Calling a wired landline was fine.
Seems as soon as the 900 MHz phone's base station started polling the handset to ring, the call would drop. Don't know if the 900 MHz landline phone was the culprit or the dual-antenna amp/repeater setup. I do know that is was repeatable. |
Have nothing to do with each other. Totally different frequencies and would not have anything to do with an amplifier. An amplifier does no think for itself . It takes commands from the actual handset when to raise and lower power |
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